Sorry, that's the same critic techno ( or New Beat here in Belgium ) received in the beginning from classical (rock) musicians : "with those machines it's easy to make music". 303 vs. drumset, remember ?
You are talking about an instrument. Some will play with it, but few will squeeze original content out of it. It's a good thing that maybe more people will be attracted to Djing by this device. More people : more possible talent. It's not the machine that will be creative for you. I don't care if a mix is made with PCDJ or SL1200's, as long as it's a good, surprising, original set that gets my body shaking. :-G http://www.appletree.be | -----Original Message----- | From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: zondag 21 oktober 2001 19:39 | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere | | | | i would have to agree, it cheating. | | burns | | | >From: "Subject Detroit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | >Mr. Woolums has taken the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH!!!!! | >How advanced is a piece of equipment that can finally do today what | >certain Detroit Djs could do 12 years ago? Where is the progress in | >TALENT? All this does is make it easier for djs who | >lack the ability to do it by hand. | >Instead of raising the bar, they lowering it and trying to step over. | > | >back.....Bone | > | > | >>From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >>To: "'Vince Woolums'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'313@hyperreal.org'" | >><313@hyperreal.org> | >>Subject: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere | >>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:25:07 +0200 | >> | >>Regards. | >> i really enjoyed reading your stuff vince i think that u | r like 90% | >>right. most of the time we think that technology will make us more | >>innovative and more creative, but alas i think technology is just | >>making us more and more dependent on it. | >> creative is something that comes from the mind not | something u can have | >>with technology, like any new gimmik the final scratch will | come and go. i | >>am not too sure that vinyls will stay for ever but i know | one thing- all | >>the | >>new technology stuff for dj`s is simple uncreative. they | made software who | >>acts as turntables ,they make cd who acts like a turntable. | if technology | >>were really creative they would just try to immitate but to innovate | >>something REALLY new. | >> | >>y/ | >>-----Original Message----- | >>From: Vince Woolums [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | >>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:54 PM | >>To: 313 List | >>Subject: re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere | >> | >> | >> > i don't think you understand what final scratch is, and | how de9(?) | >> > was | >>made. | >> > final scratch is a tool that allows use to use two regular | >> > turntables | >>and | >>a | >> > regular mixer to control any a digital file on a | computer just like | >> > you | >>would a | >> > slab of vinyl. you slow the turntable down and the digital file | >> > slows | >>down | >>etc. | >> > you do it live. it's not digital editing tool like pro tools or | >> > peak | >>etc. | >> > anything you do with you do live. | >> | >>i'm briefed on final scratch. i've seen acquav!va use it. in | >>addition, i'm aware of the production techniques involved in the | >>creation of both de9 and | >>closer to the edit. i'm also aware of the physics behind | the technology. | >>i've watched these develpments rather closely. | >> | >>you're missing one of my points: that many other DJs dont need it, | >>dont prefer it, and whose performance would be limited by said | >>technology. | >> | >> > as for the detrimental trade on vinyl. well, it's heavy, | wears out, | >> > and | >>is | >>hard | >> > to distribute. digital files can be endlessly copied and emailed | >> > all | >>over | >>the | >> > place, placed on sites. it allows more people to have access to | >> > more | >>music. what | >> > you do on the turntables should be determined by your | skill level | >> > and inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or | have access | >> > to. instead of letting record companies, distributors, | and record | >> > stores | >>determine | >> > what tracks you have access to you can play tracks by | anybody that | >>cares | >>to post | >> > them. | >> | >>your words are very interesting. so what if vinyl is | heavy, wears out | >>and is hard to distribute? all of those things are unique | to the DJ | >>trade and the art form. thomas brinkmann is able to | utilize a unique | >>technological tool, one final scratch can't even approach and that | >>relies on vinyl and not mp3. | >> | >>that not just anyone can have any track is central to my argument. | >>dont think i'm preaching vinyl elitism - but if everyone | had access to | >>any and every track, would they create something unique, | special, or | >>anything but homogenized? here's an analogy - if everyone had the | >>exact same make, model and color Porsche, would it still be | special?? | >> | >>more people with more access is giddy hat-tip to liberalist | >>egalitarianism. | >>part of the fun of DJing, to me, is digging through crates | in used shops, | >>looking on the internet for out of print tracks, trading | them with my | >>friends, cleaning them up once in a while and chatting with | people all | >>over | >>the world when buying or selling vinyl. | >> | >>"what you do on the turntables should be determined by your skill | >>level | >>and | >>inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or have access to" | >> | >>contradiction! first you say that everyone will have access to more | >>music, | >>then you assert that 'inventiveness' will occur? my retail | experience | >>shows | >>me first that as soon as a new mix CD comes out kids are | lining up to buy | >>the tracks on that mix. and often they don't just want the | tracks - they | >>want to play them in the SAME order. second, since anyone | can own and | >>play | >>anything, what will stop the 'top' DJs from playing all the | songs a crowd | >>wants to hear? easy access is exactly why mp3 DJs devalue | our beloved | >>music! | >> | >>also, your statement seems focused solely on 'smooth mix' djs like | >>hawtin, and i daresay, many of the big room trance djs. what about | >>those who dont blend for hours? are you asserting that that | m!lls is | >>not inventive? rob swift? cut chemist & dj shadow? et al? | >> | >>i agree that people with too much money own a lot of good tracks. | >> | >>but making tracks FREE to people will make that problem much, much | >>worse. | >> | >>while i support unknown artists sharing their work, universally | >>accepting this style of DJing will most certainly mire music | >>production and DJing in a rut of banality. | >> | >>it's clear that you're behind this technology as some sort of | >>'bar-raising' | >>effort that would urge DJs to be more creative. in fact, | like so much | >>globalization and imagineering, it's only going to | homogenize an already | >>dilute musical form. | >> | >>i can live with being a vinyl junkie but i'll never be an | mp3 junkie. | >> | >>in the spirit of healthy debate, | >> | >>vince | >> | >> > Subject: Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere | >> > | >> > Personally, I just can't get into Final Scratch and digital | >> > editing. | >>There | >> > are hundreds DJs out there who are equipped with the physical | >> > hardware | >>to | >> > (nearly) do this kind of audio montage live. They're called | >>turntablists. | >> > And in techno, a few names shouldn't be too far out of mind - | >> > Mills, | >>Young, | >> > Parker, Bone to name a few key Detroiters. | >> > | >> > Not to mention the detrimental effect use of digital | files may have | >> > on | >>the | >> > trade of vinyl discs... | >> > | >> > Vince Woolums | >> > AOL IM: vincewoolums | >> > http://bnsrecords.gemm.com http://www.recordcollectorinc.com | >> > | >> > ----- Original Message ----- | >> > From: Glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> | >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:28 PM | >> > Subject: Re: [313] hawtin hawtin everywhere | >> > | >> > | >> > > Mixed reviews is the consensus. I personally thought | musically, | >> > > the | >>cd | >> > > was pretty cool and funky. I've said before that it sounded | >> > > Studio One-ish. This series is all about the gear and | techniques | >> > > that goes | >>into | >> > > the production of these mixes, not necessarily the | music itself, | >> > > although some people expected way too much from R1chie | musically, | >>hence | >> > > the mixed reviews. | >> > > | >> > > g. | >> > > | >> > > Rusty Blasco wrote: | >> > > | >> > > > So what's the consensus floating around thus far | concerning the | >> > > > new R!chie H!wtin joint? I personally haven't heard | it yet and | >> > > > am | >>waiting | >> > > > for my first paycheck in months (fingers crossed it | doesn't get | >>held | >> > > > up somewhere in the bureaucratic process); a positive public | >>opinion | >> > > > will increase the excitement I have towards my | not-too-distant | >> > > > purchase. Has he mellowed out or become any housier (as a | >>colleague | >> > > > informed me)? 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