>From DufDuf:
"ie.  minimal is a technique like dub is a technique"

Disagree. Dub is a genre, Minimal is a genre.  Rhythm & Sound does not
sound like Magda. Yes these things exist along a continuum of sound,
but are certainly at fairly distinct ends, with rather pronounced
sound differences, regardless of how they are mixed together by a dj.
Sure after a certain point we are sometimes splitting hairs, and of
course everything bleeds into different areas, but that's part of the
fun. People can get a little crazy with categorization, but it's a
very useful tool for talking about certain types of music. I can say
"minimal" and people know what I'm talking about for the most part.
It might be hard to classify a single track,  but I'm quite
comfortable using a label to make it easy to discuss a type of sound
as a whole.

"I mean seriously the repetitive complaints I keep hearing
about laptop dj's or copy cat stylists .. and references to
the same single dubstep producer is wearing me thin."

My delete key works just fine on messages I don't want to read.  I
just don't read posts I'm not interested in. I appreciate your
opinions and did find them interesting, but writing in to everyone to
say you are tired of hearing a discussion about something while
participating in that same discussion is weak sauce.

"I've been beat up around here before . for saying this, but
the music is moving.  It's doing new things, in a million
different ways."

I'd say there's plenty new in the performance side of things, but
things aren't moving all that fast on the music-writing side. The
technical ability to spit out a track on ableton in a few hours
doesn't mean it's going to be any good.

"I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house,
techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you
might want to mention."

Splitting hairs again. I don't think it matters at all how you
classify one piece of music, but people like to generalize in order to
make things easier for large groups of music.  There's just too much
music out there. You have to know what area of the dartboard to shoot
for in order to narrow it down to find stuff you like. That, or find
people whose taste you trust in order to suggest things.  I've found
that people on this list for example, generally like the same kinds of
things I like, so I don't care if they call it "X" genre, it gets the
benefit of the doubt.  And for the most part when people suggest music
on here, I don't really hear any discussion at all about genres. It's
'check out this track' or 'check out this mix.'  and I think that's
fine enough for most.

"The current era of music can mean everyone is a producer
in their bedroom.  So what I think we are hearing is people
using the same sort of production techniques across similar
tempo's and styles of music."

It's always been that way, with whatever the current medium/techniques
are. Tape edits to laptops, most people putting out tracks were/are
always using the same sorts of tools at the same time.

"I just think we might get more life out of electronic music
if we start to look at some of the processes going on as the
use of techniques as opposed to genreification followed by
quick dismissal."

I've got no problem genre-fying something that I think is mostly
terrible (or excellent). It's my opinion. Classifying a group of music
that sounds similar is perfectly valid if you are trying to express
your opinion. No, I haven't listened to every 2-step record out there,
but I can comfortably say that I'm not that interested in that music
as a whole. No, I haven't listened to every minimal record out there,
but I've heard enough (and certainly bought a few), to know it's not
something I'm interested in either.

"Currently I am enjoying the sounds classified as minimal
because they provide a group of tracks that enable me to play
sets that contain a lot of spatial texture."

Rock on.

"The use of reverbs, delays, stripped out melody modes and
monotonic rhythms enable out board sample layering and
the use of off beats on the other deck to construct the type
of sets I have wanted too for years."

Well I guess that is the good thing about most minimal records, you
can put 4 of them on at the same time and not really notice it, it
does give you a lot of room. I'll give you that it can certainly make
for a lot of fun mixer work.

"Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to
do the hard work in the studio."

No.


And from FBK:
"What would make me happy is a bit of funk coming back into the
sound...or at least the acknowledgement of the groove.  The electronic
holy grail is really whatever you want-for me it's to have the music I
love not all sound like it's coming out of the same three boxes from
four people."

Very well put.

-Arturo

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