Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for the info.

I need to make sure that if they log in as admin then this restriction is not 
there. I have tried for years to dissuade the “power” user from going into 
“design mode” but she uses it for quick edits (as unreliable as it has 
seemingly become). Anyway...

So I need to make sure only users that are part of the “keep out” group are 
kept out.

Will this approach work?

Appreciate,
John...

> Hi John,
> 
> Have you looked at "Setting a Default User" in the Design Reference?
> 
> If you want to allow:
> 1) Users to never see the 4D Password Dialog; and
> 2) Users to only see your password system; and
> 3) 4D password system to keep users out of design environment
> 
> then take a look at "Setting a Default User" at:
> 
> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.1/Setting-a-Default-User.300-3373311.en.html
> 
> To setup a default user and limit access to the Design Environment, you would:
> 1) create a group for design access (for example, "design_access".)
> 2) Create a default user with **NO** password or group assigned (for example, 
> "default_user".)
> 3) Assign the users "designer" and "administrator" to the "design_access" 
> group.
> 
> In Database Settings -> Security, do the following:
> 1) Specify the group for design access from popup of group names.
> 2) Specify the default user name from popup of user names.
> 3) Uncheck "users can change password".
> 
> When usersr enters the database, they automatically enter as the default 
> user. No 4D Password Dialog appears. 
> 
> You then present your custom password login dialog.
> 
> Beware in this scheme you will not be able to get into the Design Environment 
> again, unless the 4D Password System dialog appears to allow you to enter as 
> designer.
> 
> When opening a database, you can force the 4D Password Dialog to appear by 
> holding down the shift key.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeremy French
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 4:28 PM, truegold via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So if I want to protect the db from a user getting into “design mode” - 
>> given we have rolled our own password security - can I simply do the 
>> following:
>> 
>> Add a 4D Group in the password editor. Is there not a checkbox to disallow a 
>> user into design? So if I set things up this way and then…
>> 
>> After the user logins to our custom PW login system immediately identify 
>> them as a member of this group will that work? Will that keep them from 
>> getting access?
> 

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