Thanks. Muse2 (hopefully out in another month or so) has prettier notes. The restriction on different notes starting at the same time has gone away. that probably blows away some of your tab problems too. The options for setting up tab generation are probably going to be fixed in the release after.
In the ABC area it will have w: and W: support. I'll probably rework the V: stuff a little - it already supports multi voice, just a question of trying to keep the syntax as generous as possible. For instance at the moment V:3 Ace is OK but [V:3]Dead is not. So trivial changes like that will probably get done while I'm at it. Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forgeot Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: [abcusers] Muse >And incidentally, was Muse one of the programs that you tried? Yes, the first programs I tried when I first heard of abc (when I discovered internet as well) were Muse and Abc2win. To be honest, I was first reluctant to Muse because of the drawing of the notes. But I tried it anyway and find there was several useful options / editing facilities. It can many features, including transposing (good idea the "transpose, play different look the same" and conversely) and several more I didn't catch yet. And it's really efficient to enter notes with it. But I made a separation between pure abc applications and programs such as Muse, MusEdit, TablEdit, MusicEase, Stringwalker etc. which can a bit abc but are not dedicated to it (the fact that none of the above can edit the abc "source code" denote that, and they even not have multivoice support, and advanced abc features). Muse seems to be tablature-oriented and it seems to do that well. Someone asked one day for a guitar tablature application and I recommended to try TablEdit and Muse. Generally speaking, I think the main drawback of Muse is the display, can't you use true type fonts, like Abc2Win ? There is certainly domain public musical fonts you could use. It's true the apparence is not primordial for working on music, but it could be an advantage to look nicer. The way of changing options, only in the menu bar, is a bit frustrating because if you want to configure the guitar tab for example, you have to go to > options > muse settings > tablature generation settings > [option to change] several times : if there was a "pop up" window with all the "tablature generation settings", you could change this quicker. To be able to select with the mouse would be better than to select with < and > (or to have the choise of the two) About tablatures, I'm using to generate ascii tab a freeware called PowerTab. It has an efficient feature called Shifter tool and can "shift string-wise" or "fret-wise", so it's quite quick and easy to configure several notes as wanted. Muse goes a bit further in configuration, but it's longer to configure. There is also something strange. I've guitar partitions (no tab, only partitions) in abc and I use two voices (or more) because it's not possible to write chords with different note lengths in abc (like [E2A2c2e/] and unfortunately nobody seems to complain about this limitation), so it doesn't work well in Muse if I import the abc, but it's not the problem if I use a converted midi file. The problem is the tab should look like this : Gavotte 1 (R. de Visée) 2/2 ||------0---0-|-0-------------|----------5---3-|-1-3-0---0---0-|-0-----|| ||o-----1-----|-1--0-3-1----0-|-1--------------|-------------0-|-0----o|| ||------2-----|-2------2--1---|-2--2-0---------|-----2-0-----1-|-1-----|| ||------2-----|---------------|-2------3---2---|-2-------3---2-|-2-----|| ||o-----------|---------------|----------------|---------------|------o|| ||------------|---------------|----------------|---------------|-------|| and it can display well in Muse, but after exportation to .tab ascii file, the chords are now arppegio : E-------0-|-------=-------0-|-----0-----=---------------|-------- B-----1---|-----=-------=---|---1-----0---3---1---=---0-|-------- G---2-----|---=-------=-----|-2-----=-------2---1---=---|-------- D-2-------|-=-------=-------|---------------------------|-------- A---------|-----------------|---------------------------|-------- E---------|-----------------|---------------------------|-------- ----------------5---=---3-|---1---3---0---=---0-------0-|-------- ------1-------------------|-------------------------0---|-------- ----2---2-0---------------|---------2---0---------1-----|-------- --2---------3-=---2---=---|-2---=-----------3---2-------|-------- --------------------------|-----------------------------|-------- --------------------------|-----------------------------|-------- Maybe I missed an option ? The = for tied notes are not really relevant in an ascii tab. To have only the bare tab could be better (or to have the choice to get rid of the =). In fact it's still possible to replace with a text editor the = by - o so it's not a real problem. PowerTab is worse and write the tied notes by repeating the note with the same in brackets so it's not possible to get rid of them (unless write a little macro in perl maybe) >I think I counted that Muse has about 70 shortcuts defined (so there's heavy >use of Ctrl+this and Shift+that). It would be a very expert user that knew >them all. It's not a pb is those users know the commands they use most. To be able to redefine the shortcuts is also a nice feature (for example I like to use space bar to play / pause if I play fiddle with the computer, it's easier to strike than the 'p') There is also no multiple undo (usefull in music editing) You talked about trying to maintain a download size file close to 300 ko, but I think it's not a burden to download a one mega file, even with a modem (it takes 5 mins or maybe less) if it's to have usefull options / facilities or nicer display. I hope this feedback could help. ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html