In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
>First congratulations to Guido on putting this together - it does seem to 
>include most of the updated features. I have stayed out of most of the 
>discussions on what to include/exclude from the standard, but would like to give 
>a group 
>of comments on this draft form (and I have counted to several hundred). 
>Although the list looks long it actually covers essentially only two topics: 1) 
>Additions to the accents  and 2) note heads, only the latter being a real 
>addition to the proposed standard.
>
>Mick
>
>
>1. In the accents I think it should be made clearer that multiple accents are 
>allowed. !pp!!trill! etc.

And what do you expect to see in this case?

>
>2. While the accents list is now fuller than formerly, there are some others 
>I think should be added:
>
>   a) !diamond! to place a small diamond over the note

*where* above the note? What does it mean musically? Artificial
harmonics can be at different places to mean different harmonics.
>
>   b) !circle! to place a small circle over a note
>       Both of these are used to indicate harmonics in various contexts
>
>   c) !glissando(!  and !glissando)! (after fashion of crescendo) to draw a 
>glissando line between notes

>
>   d) !tremolo1! !tremolo2! and !tremolo3" to draw a note with 1, 2 or 3 
>diagonal lines over        them to indicate tremolo

Isn't that what ~ is for? A roll?

>
>   e) !horizontal(! and matching !horizontal)! (after the fashion of the 
>crescendo) to draw a general horizonal line over a group of notes, usually to be 
>used with some accompanying text (eg position indicator: "^IV"!horizontal(! ... 
>!horizontal)!
>
>   f) Since chords are allowed arpeggiation markers (vertical wavy line, with 
>or without direction arrows) would also be useful !arpeggio! !arpeggioup! 
>!arpeggiodown! for directionless, up and down.
>
>   g) String indicators (usually a number in a circle) !(1)! etc
>
>   h) Right hand finger indicators. For the guitar the letters p,i,m,a,e are 
>used so perhaps !rhp!, !rhi! etc (As a guitarist I prefer to use a notation 
>package to do guitar music, 
>rather than abc which I use generally only for folk songs/tunes, but as 
>people are setting other types of music these may be useful).
>
>These may seem too many, but as pointed out, programs can just ignore accents 
>they don't recognise/wish to process. On the other hand the 
>Bartok/snap-pizzicato accent is included and is probably less commonly used than 
>some of these 
>others (glissando for instance).
>
>
>3. The thing I find most desirable to include which is not here is varied 
>note head types , for me most often the cross-head 'x' to indicate unpitched 
>spoken words or noises (taps, bangs) , but diamond note heads are used to show 
>harmonics in guitar music. These could be included as formatting options:
>
>   %%notehead x               or %%notehead cross
>   %%notehead /                or %%notehead slash
>   %%notehead <>             or %%notehead diamond
>   %%notehead []               or %%notehead square
>   %%notehead +               or %%notehead plus
>   %%nothead standard    % to reset to normal

Triangles/inverted triangles/circles, x-in-circle, white heads, black
heads...

And different heads on the same stem - how?

>
>For my purposes this wouldn't be too bad - spoken sections in songs tend to 
>be only a few bars long. Other mechanisms would be possible.
>
>(4.Oh and the page numbers in the pdf file are currently incorrect!)
>

imo these (and many others) are going further than abc ought to. It's
not a general-purpose music notation standard: for that MusicXML or NIFF
or another completely new one should be used.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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