Hello All, Greg and everyone else is this date good for you. I will be going on vacation starting tomorrow and I will not be back until the end of June. Hopefully we can decide if this date is good, if not I will send email when I get back from vacation. Thank you, Mike
Mike O'Connor wrote: > Michael, > > The following week is good, Tuesday July 12 at 8AM USPacific. > Yes I have been getting suggestions, I can never be sure that I've > gotten all though. > > -moc > > Michael Elmore wrote: > >> Hello Mike O'Connor, >> Is there another date that is good for you? We could still have the >> meeting at 8 pacific. Is that time good for you. If we have it then >> some of the people in Europe could come. I think it would be a >> little late for Asia though. >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> PS. I am assuming you have been getting all of the suggestions >> >> >> Mike O'Connor wrote: >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Prior to replying to you I checked the LBL Holiday schedule but >>> neglected to check the BNL holiday schedule. >>> BNL is closed July 5th so I would not be able to use the AG node >>> that day. >>> >>> (I'll use my initials since there are too many Mikes on this thread) >>> -moc >>> >>> Michael Elmore wrote: >>> >>>> sorry about that. I did mean July 5. >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mike meant July 5th Townhall. >>>>> >>>>> -Monika >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Tom, >>>>>> Monica Rabarison expressed an interest in having a meeting >>>>>> to discuss mutlicast issues and troubleshooting for the >>>>>> access grid. (see below some of the email we have been >>>>>> sending.) I have found two people who are willing to >>>>>> participate in this. Mike O'Conner from ESNet and Greg Bell from >>>>>> LBLNet. Mike is willing to give the >>>>>> presentation and Greg is willing to help answer >>>>>> questions. The first question is can this be done at the >>>>>> 8 am townhall on July 7 (Mike can only do the 8 am presentation) >>>>>> The second question is what kind of >>>>>> discussion do you think would be good to present. >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike O'Connor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, July 5 for the 8AM pacific meeting is fine, I'll >>>>>>> have to decline the later meeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should talk about the audience and topic of >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> discussion. > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael Elmore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>> I just heard from Greg and he said that July 5 is ok >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> with him. He >> also said he would be willing to attend >>>>>> and help answer questions. >> Mike would you be willing >>>>>> and could you have a presentation available >> by July 5? >>>>>> Also, there are usually two meetings for the town hall. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> One at 8 am pacific and one at 4 pm pacific. Could >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you and would >> you be willing to do both meetings. If >>>>>> you can only do the morning >> one it would be fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> July 5th is fine for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Monica et al., >>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if it would be ok to do the meeting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> at the >>>> July 5 townhall. I will be on vacation for >>>>>> all of the >>>> dates you listed. Is this ok for MIke >>>>>> and Greg? >>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any date/time except June 10, 13, and 17 is fine for >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Greg and MIke, >>>>>>>>>>>> I received this from Monika about the content of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>> meeting. The date is not set. If you can't >>>>>> meet at >>>>>> Brookhaven on the 7th, then we could schedule this >>>>>> for >>>>>> another time. Monika, do you >>>>>> have another date in mind? >>>>>> Thank you, Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the session is mainly intended for network >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> personel but >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> node >ops too could benefit from it. When the idea >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> came >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> up >>, what >everyone wanted was mostly about how to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> know >>>> that >>there is a >multicast problem and how to >>>>>> fix the >>>> problem, >>and also >re-explain how the AG is >>>>>> using >>>> multicast. There >>is already >an AGDP doc >>>>>> about these but >>>> apparently >>everyone (mostly node >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> operators) wanted to >>>> have the >>network people >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> attend such a >session. It looks >>>> like in >>many cases >>>>>> , the network person is >not very >>>> familiar with >>the >>>>>> AG and the node operator is not >very >>>> familiar with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> networking! How technical it should be? >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not very sure >>about this. > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have talked to Greg and he is not sure what he >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> can >>>>>>>> prepare for a meeting like this. How >>>>>> technical he >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>make it etc. He would like to know more >>>>>>>>>> specifically >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what >>you would like to get out of a multicast >>>>>>>>>>>> presentation. >>Thank you and have a good weekend. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do so. June 7 sounds good to me. If it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> too >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> close >for the presenter(s) any time would do, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> guess. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to ask the networking people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>would like to give a presentation? If so >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> then >>>> maybe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>could do the presentation at the next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Town >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hall >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>June >>7. One of the people might have a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> problem with 8 >>>>>> >>am, but >>I can find out. Let me >>>>>> know or let >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> me >>know >>about another >>time. Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you indeed for your response. You are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >replied to this suggestion yet. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> cc-ing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>they are >also interested in such a session >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>> TACC. >>>>Having the talk >on a Town Hall is a >>>>>> great >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> idea. >>I am >>>>thinking that the >summer might not >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> be a >>>> good >>time as >>>>people go on vacation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, we >>>> could have >>it >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever >>the speakers are >available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen >>any other responses either. I am not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> willing >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>lead >>such a meeting, but I am willing to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> try >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>get >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>speaker >>for you. One of the Network people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LBNL >>is >>quite >>versed in Multicasting and I >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> think >>>>>> that he >>might >>be >>willing to give a >>>>>> talk and I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> could >>try to >>get the >>person >>at ESNet who >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> isolates >>>> the >>multicast >>troubles on >>ESNet. >>Let >>>>>> me know what you >>>> >>think. Maybe >>it could be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> done on a >>Town Hall >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. Thank you, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A suggestion poped up at the AG retreat on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> organizing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AG >session for network staff. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is to have one person or more share >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>how-tos, tips, etc...on AG >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> network >>>>>>>> support. How does >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>sound? Is there anyone out there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>such >>>session? Node operators too would >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> indeed >>benefit >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >some of us (at least myself)are not very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> network >>>>>>>>"literate". > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >
