ya it is happening in many other departments too On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 1:09 PM vivek doddamani <[email protected]> wrote:
> in delhi there is DSSSB Delhi Subordinate Staff Selection Board for > recruitment of staff for Delhi Government Offices, there they never cross > check Medical Certificate of disabled candidates because of which many > candidated get fake medical certificate from U.P. Haryana & many other > states and seek government job, in DSSSB there is no mandatory of UDID > card. > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 12:40 PM RAUSHAN KUMAR <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Let me the take the recent example of Pooja khedkar, however she tried to >> fake that she was visually impaired the AIIMS did not gave her clearance of >> her being visually blind, she was called upon by the AIIMS frequently but >> was not able to proof that she was eligible to be called a visually >> impaired. She had money, political power still she was not able to prove. >> Then she took another illegal route, and we should not discuss those, that >> will be a digression from the real issue. >> The point I am trying to make is, just like every cause has a reason, and >> visual impairment also has reasons, if there is integrity in the medical >> examination process, I am very optimistic that the fake and ineligible >> candidates can be easily screened out, given the kinds of diagnostics tools >> that has been developed in medical. Such things may be happening due to >> unethical practices done by doctors during issuing the certificate. which >> is a greater problem in itself, >> >> But what can be done here is, just like UPSC and railways, mandatory >> re-examination of candidates during document verification by institutes >> like AIIMS and other similar institutes. Hopefully it will discourage fake >> candidates from applying in the first place. >> >> With regards >> Raushan >> >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 11:42 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is a deep rooted virus that has infected the system. >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe that this challenge is here to stay. Will go away only when >>> blind and VI candidates are empowered enough to write their own exams >>> either using Braille or technology. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *RAUSHAN KUMAR >>> *Sent:* 10 December 2024 10:43 >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [AI] Regarding fake Pwd certificates in government exams, >>> re-examination of disability during document verification. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear members of Accessindia, >>> >>> Most humbly and respectfully i would like to convey all of you and >>> especially to the institutions and people who have direct role in >>> guidelines and policy making for Pwd and who have access to government >>> institutions. >>> >>> Here are some of the issues, while the first one may be easily solvable, >>> the second one may be more complex and systemic, and requires long term >>> thinking, and solutions which can be acceptable by everyone. >>> >>> 1. Fake medical certificate >>> 2. Use of solvers as scribes in the exams.. >>> >>> I was surprised to know that there are many exam conducting bodies like >>> SSC that do not re-verify the validity of pwd certificates through medical >>> examination by competent institutes like AIIMS and other premier hospitals. >>> >>> The re-examination process has already been adopted by UPSC and railway >>> recruitment boards; similar procedures can be implemented in all other >>> exams in educational institutions too. >>> >>> >>> >>> The second issue is related to the first one and is very depressing. Let >>> me put it in perspective, imagine three candidate >>> >>> 1. Genuine pwd candidate with scribe acting as assistant, >>> 2. Genuine pwd candidate using solver as scribe and >>> 3. Fake pwd candidate having fake certificate using solver scribe, >>> >>> Now we already had a discussion about the first and second one in an >>> email thread, in which strict regulation for the second category leads to >>> inconvenience and negative externalities for the first one, while it is >>> difficult to solve. It is possible given that we have a digital identity >>> like AADHAAR. One such step is currently being taken by SSC itself by >>> making it compulsory for the scribe to create one time registration. Let's >>> hope it will generate some positive outcome. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, the third category who have a fake certificate, which means he is a >>> normal candidate with all abilities, he is also assisted by a solver who >>> has mastery over the subject and they also have the luxury of extra time. >>> Now a paper designed for one normal person is being solved by two normal >>> candidates with 33 percent extra time. Can we imagine what will be the >>> result? In the final merit list cut offs are as high as obc and >>> general category students. it screens out all the genuine candidates. And >>> if somehow the exam conducting body is able to limit the ability of scribe >>> of this third category student, even then he/she has an unfair advantage of >>> 33 percent extra time. So, fake certification is a challenging problem >>> faced by pwd seeking reservation in India today. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, I request all the stakeholders to help pwd candidates, by talking to >>> concerned authorities in the government department and >>> educational institutions. >>> >>> Here are a few suggestions. >>> >>> 1. Re-examination of candidates' extent of disability during >>> document verification by all exam conduction bodies and educational >>> institutions, like UPSC and railways does in reputed medical institutes >>> like AIIMS. While it is necessary to fix both the supply and demand of >>> certification, Fixing supply end can be a long term goal and requires an >>> interdisciplinary approach involving doctors, Judiciary, NGO, and other >>> government bodies. For immediate relief demand may be fixed by simple >>> measures mentioned above. >>> 2. Notification should be published regarding this by these bodies >>> regarding the same, so that it discourages fake students from applying, >>> 3. Waiting list for pwd candidate so that if someone is caught >>> during final document verification, a genuine waiting list candidate is >>> given the seat. >>> 4. Streamline, the scribe one time registration process with more >>> efficiency and reger. >>> 5. Clarity in guidelines regarding the educational qualification. >>> Sometimes the statement " the candidate's qualification should be one >>> step >>> below the candidate's qualification" becomes vague. For a graduate job, >>> if >>> a candidate has done graduation he/she can opt for a scribe who is 12th >>> pass, but a candidate who has a masters degree can opt a graduate >>> candidate, This should not be acceptable. It should be one step below the >>> exam qualification of the exam. >>> >>> It would be great to know suggestions from all of you on this issue, and >>> suggestions on how it can be reformed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hoping for some positive response and outcome >>> >>> I am attaching a youtube video which opened my mind about the issues, >>> while the video is full of anger and rage, I could not find any other >>> source which is more civilised and in english language, extremely sorry for >>> that. Please watch from the stamp 17:40 to 20:40 minutes >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/live/Hbg5vFOlqD8?si=UIWXboU-D5j3rB1i&t=1033 >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> >>> >>> With regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Raushan kumar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. 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