Hai: Why do you have to think you are robbing? If a book sells for say 1 million copies, a publisher makes money from it. If a college purchases it, the college would have obviously paid for it. So in what way a few people who otherwise cannot use the book were to scan and use it? Another question is that when you have conflicting laws in the country which one should you follow and which you shouldn't? If UNCRPD is adopted as part of our laws, we must follow it and its recommendation that copyright laws should respect use of books and materials by print disabled. Changing the copyright laws is the job of the government, which they should have done the day they ratified UNCRPD. From our side, people are pushing the case for a change, but should you and I wait for the government to change? Suppose, if that doesn't happen until you and I cross 60, do you say we should stay away from reading books? Why should you guys get into an overdrive when it comes to following illegal laws?
Subramani -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:20 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books In the below example, you care about the seller's right to get money of the products he supplies, "you are converting the product you "purchased" and thus the seller is getting what he is entitled to. However in case if you rob him and then convert the food for your use, then? I know, you too will agree it's being immoral and illegal too. The distribution of food is fully justified because you own the raw material and the effort you put in to convert but what if some one robs you for his hunger? How would you feel? I do understand you are doing it for a cause and it is important to note and understand that transformation of social order can not be and never been silent or without a pain or even not confirming to all laws and morals. And on top of that the right to read is not of equal degree to the right to food. Kill the sin and not the sinner, the sin here in our case is the lack of awareness among the publishers, lack of infrastructure for providing accessible books, lack of inclusiveness in copyright act. Thanks Mukesh -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:31 PM To: mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books Suppose I am in a country of dogs where only dog food is supplied. I am obliged to purchase it and then convert it into human food by any hypothetical means and eat it. I demand that I would purchase the said dog food, if it is processed and converted into human food otherwise not. But sellers insist that they would not do it at any cost. I think I am fully justified to distribute such converted food anyhow obtained to fellow human beings in order to satisfy the human hunger and also to make them-sellers-realize that there is demand for human food and they would do well to process it and earn their due share by selling human food in addition to dog food.. How am I infringing upon the rights of sellers? Further, I am satisfying hunger of few humans who would otherwise have never satisfied hunger as they could not purchase or digest dog food, but were hungry nonetheless. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" John Milton -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:08 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books Just a simple question, how would you like to ensure the right of the publisher / writer? Or would you simply say no to their right of earning from their hard work? Though I completely understand the right to read and support it completely but the worry is the question "Am I stepping on the right of others?" "is this the right way to secure my rights? I believe, If we ensure the rights of the publishers and authors, their coperation would certainly be with us or at the most we will be striving towards a balanced liberal society. All, please take a note of that argument / disagreement to the ideas / views does not mean disrespect in any manner and if I am hurting anyone , my sincere apologies in advance. Thanks Mukesh -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh Panicker Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students. and although there are sites like questia.com even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats, and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed. and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of scanning them. so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms. On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: > > So dinesh, > You are essentially saying that: > 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of > and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to > legally disabled persons on request. > 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability > notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would > entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book > available to a non-disabled person. > > > Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but > violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least. > Making a fundamental right an exclusively institutionalized and > secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive. > I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness. > World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical grounds and > superfluous way. > Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for > making the materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their > pockets by mass distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled. > Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so > heavens are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit. > Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to > individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate > them, remains to be answered by anybody. > Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability > about educational books in accessible format to all. > UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a > barrier to it. > So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious? > Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear > that its open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not > appeal to me. > There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of > activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing > resources too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit > for living only in institutions. > What is wrong in that? > Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to > disabled by their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and > if we concede to demands of few persons with disabilities it would be > too expensive and why bother about inferior minorities? > > So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open > to widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, > and let the disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and > rights by forming organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly. > Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read > is the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its > illegitimate denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental > rights. Adequate safeguards can be envisaged once the right is > recognized and accessibility is taken into account. > We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even > educational and informational content. > Tagore had said: > > "Let my country awaken into heaven, > where every one holds their head high, Where knowledge is free.. > > And let me add: Accessible." > > Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more > than sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a > particular way. > I am not bound by dead past and great names. > And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comparisons of blind > community to blood-thirsty acts, the person concerned has not > withdrawn it still. > I am pained as a person who is blind and who is willing to openly > advocate rights of persons with disabilities and who is willing to put > up a fight with so called intellectuals who would not budge until > their monetary interests are impinged upon. > The fact that by sharing a book amongst disabled, it may be available > to a non-disabled person, is a bi-product and side effect and a > necessary evil, which can be prevented by recognizing our most > fundamental freedom of expression. > I am maddened when I see blind children simply at the mercy of readers > or writers and groping for material to study. > Any law is a pittance before a helpless human being who requires the > rights to lead a meaningful life. > > > > > Rajesh Asudani > > Assistant General Manager (PPS), > Reserve Bank of India > Nagpur > 09420397185 > O: 0712 2806676 > Res: 0712 2591349 > Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" > John Milton > > > ________________________________ > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > they are addressed. 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