The statements that you made here are sounding abrasive and it did not add anything valuable to this thread, I opine.
On 9/30/10, akhilesh <akhil.akhi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Aisha, > > I think you are doing some journalism course, and you're staying in delhi. > just not thought appropriate to drop this query in your inbox that's > why writing here. > > > On 9/29/10, aisha sahani <mailtoaishasah...@gmail.com> wrote: >> well, >> i wanted to continue this discussion, but read from moderator just >> now, will have to close this thread from my end at least. >> >> i'd like to get in touch with you about it off the list >> aisha sahani. >> >> On 9/29/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >>> I think paying extra money to hold mahesh's hand while in america was not >>> at >>> all insisted upon by him. >>> Boss simply rejected hisnomination due to the fact that they would be >>> required to hold his hand while traveling in america!!! >>> Now, what do you say? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:17 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>> >>> I agree that equality is not uniformity, but put yourself in shoes of >>> his boss, why in the world he'd like to invest extra money for mr. >>> Mahesh? >>> >>> >>> I'm aware there are CSR drives, but you can't fight for CSR things, >>> they are done as per the company policies and one's own willingness. >>> >>> If mr. Mahesh is using jaws in his office, company people might have >>> provided that, which is a reasonable accommodation. >>> >>> Suppose he demands for a daily escort to pick and drop him saying that >>> his mobility is not good and he is skilled otherwise, would you say >>> its justified? >>> >>> I don't say that its at all possible for a blind person to move with >>> complete independence, but no one denies you to take help from local >>> people including strangers, the world is still helpful around the >>> globe. >>> >>> Moreover, that's what i say. >>> He can surely take help from his colleagues, but he can't insist his >>> management to pay money to those colleagues for helping him. >>> >>> When i go to college, i take help from strangers to catch the buss, to >>> reach my destination, etc. >>> I won't like to ask my parents to pick and drop me every day, as they >>> all have their own works. Right? >>> >>> I guess i'm still independent in mobility. >>> >>> For me, the definition of independence is to perform your work without >>> bothering others. >>> In fact, if a stranger helps me, he/she is doing from willingness, not >>> any insistence. >>> Aisha sahani. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/28/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >>>> Of course, of course, she also would fall foul of coming upto >>>> expectations >>>> of votaries of strict self reliance. >>>> And, then why madam aisha, do we give maternity leave to female >>>> employees, >>>> if everybody is equal and must be treated according to fixed standards >>>> of >>>> so-called independent productivity? >>>> >>>> Please remember, equality is not uniformity. >>>> differences have to be duly defered to. >>>> >>>> And, let me reitterate again, independent mobility is a myth at least >>>> for >>>> blind, let anyone prove me wrong if they can. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>> Sathiyaprakash >>>> Ramdoss >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:01 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>> >>>> In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in >>>> to consideration? >>>> >>>> On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >>>>> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined in his home, no? >>>>> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb? >>>>> >>>>> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\ >>>>> Only his team members have to escort him a bit. >>>>> Stringent laws are the need of the hour. >>>>> no education or counseling does any good. >>>>> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality. >>>>> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell and that's why whole >>>>> gammut of rule of law. >>>>> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated >>>>> query >>>>> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response >>>>> to >>>>> disability: >>>>> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole >>>>> attitude would change". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000 >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>> >>>>> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is >>>>> a >>>>> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, >>>>> he >>>>> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people >>>>> like >>>>> you, will not concede him that amount because your logic is, why >>>>> should >>>>> you >>>>> waste your hard-earned money on him. >>>>> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move >>>>> around.In >>>>> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making >>>>> the >>>>> name of his company. >>>>> But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and >>>>> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving >>>>> about, >>>>> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, >>>>> suppose, >>>>> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his >>>>> both >>>>> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars >>>>> or >>>>> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair >>>>> around. >>>>> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message >>>>> ----- >>>>> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <sriniv...@srinivasu.org> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>; "Geetha Shamanna" >>>>> <gee...@millernorbert.de> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes, >>>>>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has >>>>>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal >>>>>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have >>>>>> skills of independence? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000 <jadhav.nam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his >>>>>>> mobility >>>>>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand and guide >>>>>>> him, >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about >>>>>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection >>>>>>> whatsoever. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert. >>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mahesh, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how >>>>>>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> office >>>>>>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently >>>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a >>>>>>>> large >>>>>>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person >>>>>>>> requires >>>>>>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work, >>>>>>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> blind person they have come across in their whole existence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is >>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>> required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your >>>>>>>> superior >>>>>>>> and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after >>>>>>>> yourself >>>>>>>> during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically >>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> his reservations; you can then address them individually. If you >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how >>>>>>>> independently >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> fight this battle on our own. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to >>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> local >>>>>>>> conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India >>>>>>>> arise, >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local >>>>>>>> events; >>>>>>>> so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible >>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you >>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Geetha >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Mahesh Shah" <mss...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: "accessindia" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Friends-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an >>>>>>>> incident happened in my office , which shocked me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination >>>>>>>> for this. I am the most qualified and most senior person for the >>>>>>>> job. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But my boss called me for a one-to-one discussion and informed me >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> it will be 'embarrasing' to send a person (VI) like me in . the >>>>>>>> delegation. Because I will require someone's support and will hold >>>>>>>> someone's hand. Also if some accident happens to me because of my >>>>>>>> disability, he and office will be hold responsible for why they sent >>>>>>>> such a person. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was really shocked and upset with the behaviour. Then I withdrew >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> nomination for participation in the conference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Friends, I want to show you that how these learned so-called >>>>>>>> superiors >>>>>>>> fail to understand the VI peoples aspirations and behave in such a >>>>>>>> nonsense way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing my concerns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mahesh Shah >>>>>>>> Pune >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>> Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>>>>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>>>>> >>>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>>> disability bill at: >>>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>> disability bill at: >>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> with >>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please >>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>>> and >>>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >>>>> are >>>>> addressed. 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