I think paying extra money to hold mahesh's hand while in america was not at all insisted upon by him. Boss simply rejected hisnomination due to the fact that they would be required to hold his hand while traveling in america!!! Now, what do you say?
-----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:17 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior I agree that equality is not uniformity, but put yourself in shoes of his boss, why in the world he'd like to invest extra money for mr. Mahesh? I'm aware there are CSR drives, but you can't fight for CSR things, they are done as per the company policies and one's own willingness. If mr. Mahesh is using jaws in his office, company people might have provided that, which is a reasonable accommodation. Suppose he demands for a daily escort to pick and drop him saying that his mobility is not good and he is skilled otherwise, would you say its justified? I don't say that its at all possible for a blind person to move with complete independence, but no one denies you to take help from local people including strangers, the world is still helpful around the globe. Moreover, that's what i say. He can surely take help from his colleagues, but he can't insist his management to pay money to those colleagues for helping him. When i go to college, i take help from strangers to catch the buss, to reach my destination, etc. I won't like to ask my parents to pick and drop me every day, as they all have their own works. Right? I guess i'm still independent in mobility. For me, the definition of independence is to perform your work without bothering others. In fact, if a stranger helps me, he/she is doing from willingness, not any insistence. Aisha sahani. On 9/28/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: > Of course, of course, she also would fall foul of coming upto expectations > of votaries of strict self reliance. > And, then why madam aisha, do we give maternity leave to female employees, > if everybody is equal and must be treated according to fixed standards of > so-called independent productivity? > > Please remember, equality is not uniformity. > differences have to be duly defered to. > > And, let me reitterate again, independent mobility is a myth at least for > blind, let anyone prove me wrong if they can. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sathiyaprakash > Ramdoss > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:01 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior > > In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in > to consideration? > > On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined in his home, no? >> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb? >> >> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\ >> Only his team members have to escort him a bit. >> Stringent laws are the need of the hour. >> no education or counseling does any good. >> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality. >> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell and that's why whole >> gammut of rule of law. >> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated >> query >> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response to >> disability: >> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole >> attitude would change". >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000 >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >> >> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is a >> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, he >> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people like >> you, will not concede him that amount because your logic is, why should >> you >> waste your hard-earned money on him. >> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move >> around.In >> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the >> name of his company. >> But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and >> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving about, >> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, >> suppose, >> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both >> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars or >> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair around. >> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message >> ----- >> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <sriniv...@srinivasu.org> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>; "Geetha Shamanna" >> <gee...@millernorbert.de> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >> >> >>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes, >>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has >>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal >>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have >>> skills of independence? >>> >>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000 <jadhav.nam...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his >>>> mobility >>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand and guide >>>> him, >>>> he >>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about >>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection >>>> whatsoever. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert. >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Mahesh, >>>>> >>>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how >>>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the >>>>> office >>>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently >>>>> outside >>>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes? >>>>> >>>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large >>>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person >>>>> requires >>>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work, >>>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is >>>>> not >>>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the >>>>> only >>>>> blind person they have come across in their whole existence. >>>>> >>>>> Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is >>>>> probably >>>>> required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your >>>>> superior >>>>> and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself >>>>> during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on >>>>> the >>>>> colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically >>>>> list >>>>> out >>>>> his reservations; you can then address them individually. If you have >>>>> traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how >>>>> independently >>>>> you >>>>> dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to >>>>> fight this battle on our own. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send >>>>> you >>>>> to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to >>>>> local >>>>> conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise, >>>>> be >>>>> the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local >>>>> events; >>>>> so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible during >>>>> these >>>>> events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you >>>>> changes. >>>>> >>>>> Geetha >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mahesh Shah" <mss...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "accessindia" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM >>>>> Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends-- >>>>> >>>>> I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an >>>>> incident happened in my office , which shocked me. >>>>> >>>>> Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate in >>>>> SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination >>>>> for this. I am the most qualified and most senior person for the job. >>>>> >>>>> But my boss called me for a one-to-one discussion and informed me that >>>>> it will be 'embarrasing' to send a person (VI) like me in . the >>>>> delegation. Because I will require someone's support and will hold >>>>> someone's hand. Also if some accident happens to me because of my >>>>> disability, he and office will be hold responsible for why they sent >>>>> such a person. >>>>> >>>>> I was really shocked and upset with the behaviour. Then I withdrew my >>>>> nomination for participation in the conference. >>>>> >>>>> Friends, I want to show you that how these learned so-called superiors >>>>> fail to understand the VI peoples aspirations and behave in such a >>>>> nonsense way. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing my concerns. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mahesh Shah >>>>> Pune >>>>> >>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>> disability bill at: >>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> with >>>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please >>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>>> disability bill at: >>>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>>> disability bill at: >>>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with >>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>> Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>> >>> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >>> disability bill at: >>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >> disability bill at: >> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> addressed. 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