Responders, The need is to collect actual and correct data which I believe will help in policy formulation rather then any use for us.
-----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of amarnath de Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:35 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? If UID cannot serve our purpose then what is the need of it? The government is misusing our income and giving our earned money to its agency and generating income for some persons for meaningless purpose. It is making the system more complex rather than simplifying. It is unnecessarily putting burden to us. Hope, government may use the database to make our life simple as suggested. Amarnath. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:14 PM To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? > So, am I correct that UID is hardly anything more than an additional wrung > of formalities to be completed to obtain various services in India? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohammed Asif > iqbal > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:28 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? > > Sorry for delay in replying. > Please understand that UIDAI is not issuing card rather it is just > issueing > letter which contains number. However bottom portion of the letter can be > torn and stored for remembering the numbers. State government is free to > issue card that is if it serve their purpose. > Please also understand that UIDAI is not superceeding ministery and it has > to work with existing ministry hence it is not collecting data on cast/ > community/ religion/. SC/ST/ OBC/ disability as well as it is not > empowered > to verify whether one is able/ disabled. > Thanks and hope this clearifies. > Asif > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of SC Vashishth > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:34 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? > > Dear Harish, > > Sadly that is not so. Its not only "for the disabled" but of the disabled > also wanting this. The degree of social acceptance of different > disabilities > is different and this is a harsh truth. While those with visual > impairments > may be keen in getting their disability included on UID but those with few > other disabilities have not been comfortable in declaring the same on the > face of it for the fear of discrimination and other obvious reasons. > > Another reason that I see is that not all disabilities enumerated in the > PWD > Act have got benefited from being declared as a Person with disability > except few. Thus for them, including it on the UID carries no benefit. On > the contrary, they fear this might lead to discrimination. > > May be UID representatives/Mr. Asif could answer the specific reason as to > why this was dropped and what can be done to salvage it at least for > those > who are willing and want to include this. > regards > > > 29 January 2011 11:14, Harish Kotian <har...@accessindia.org.in> wrote: > >> Dear Vashisht >> >> In my opinion, it will be those "for the disabled" who would be opposing >> inclusion of disability in the UI Card. For, the disabled themselves >> understand the hassel of carrying a bag full of ID cards for proof of >> disability. >> >> More importantly, this could have been the perfect answer for getting >> access to copyright material internationally and obtaining immunity from >> fair use clause. >> >> I think we must do everything possible to resalvage it if possible to do >> so. >> >> If one chooses not to disclose this information to the UI authority that >> should be fine, later, they should not cry for not having done so. Just >> because of a handful of persons, we cannot throw out a system which would >> help majority of persons. >> >> Harish Kotian. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "SC Vashishth" <subhashvashis...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? >> >> >> > Rajesh, a large number of persons with disabilities do not want their >> > disability on their UID Cards. They want to be known by their name and >> > number and not by their disability. Argument - when you don't write >> > conditions such as Heart Problems, Knee Problems etc or >> > Castes/categories such as SC/ST, then why disability which is just a >> > condition that persons live with. >> > >> > This debate perhaps has led to UID dropping disability from the face of >> the >> > card. >> > >> > Another issue - UID's legal mandate doesn't require it to be a >> > replacing >> > document for various other certificates such as a disability > certificate. >> > This also has a politics of maintaining relevance of certain >> > departments/ministries that have a stake in the disability. And they do >> not >> > want to let go their importance. Since, if every important information >> comes >> > on UID then they fear it might render them redundant such as a PAN Card >> > (Separate Ministry), Ration Card (Separate Ministry), (Disability >> > Certificate (Min. of Health) etc...... >> > >> > >> > >> > On 28 January 2011 17:48, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> >> wrote: >> > >> >> No asif, it does not help, if UDAI does not cover disability. >> >> Sorry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: >> >> accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohammed Asif >> iqbal >> >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 3:20 PM >> >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? >> >> >> >> Hi Amar, >> >> As you are aware; I am currently working with UIDAI. With mandate of >> >> enrolling Pwd. >> >> No, data on disability is not being collected. >> >> UID only collects data on name, date of birth, father's name/ mother's >> >> name/ >> >> guardian/ City address. And Email/ mobile no. is optional. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> I will be coming to Bombay soon and hope to catch up with you and >> explain >> >> this in details. >> >> Mohammed Asif Iqbal >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain >> >> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:35 PM >> >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> >> Subject: [AI] UID number and inclusion of Disability? >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> We are aware that UIDAI will include disability in their database. I >> >> saw the form on eaadhaar.com as the form on UIDAI website was >> >> unreadable by Jaws, but it does not ask for disability related >> >> information. >> >> So would like to know if there is anybody who has got UID which >> >> includes their disability detail, and procedure which is to be >> >> followed? >> >> As per help desk soon UID will be allotted in Mumbai. >> >> Regards >> >> Amar Jain. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Amar Jain. >> >> Website: www.amarjain.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and >> >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are >> >> addressed. 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