Audio announcements of coach numbers by speakers on the out side of the coaches near the doors is surely such a simple solution, benefiting many beside VI.
-----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] Braille stickers in trains for visually-challenged Umesha - just to clarify, I never meant iPhone or android with regards to app. There are several methods like SMS or by calling 139 and several things can be done with a featured phone. I agree, we should not think only for Access Indians and in fact, we should think for cross and beyond disabilities. Also we should keep in mind what is feasible for implementation too. So even VI folks are not alone the beneficiaries. Regards, Srinivasu http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @vasutweets Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:11 PM, "Umesha Economics" <umesha....@gmail.com> wrote: > hi mohit, > yes, it is exactly what I meant. dear srinivasu, please don't think only > about Access Indians. how many VIs have IPhone or android? > regarding identity cards, I don't believe in mingling with UID card. there > are many controversies in it and it is not completely done in all regions. > should this train facility which would be inherently slow, should be further > halted due to those problems? moreover, the database should be fully owned > and maintained by railways. UID data is kept by a separate firm. if there is > a problem in data connections between the 2, the customers will be adversely > affected. > > Umesha > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohith B. P." <ckm.moh...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, 27 January, 2013 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Braille stickers in trains for visually-challenged > > >> Hi Srinivas, >> >> As for as my understanding Umesha is suggesting to have audio out put >> at every dore with coatch number. >> I feel this will help visually impaired people to find the right >> coatch quickly as reading braille lables and moving in another >> direction always hassel and there is a possibility of getting confused >> of the direction to move to another coatch. >> As the volume of the speakers are not as equally high as loud speakers >> used for anouncements it may not confuse and moving closer to the >> anouncement will surely help to understand whether we are at the right >> coatch or not. >> Phone app: surely it is a great idea, but it will not serve the >> purpose for everyone since mejority VIs use basic hand sets. >> >> On 1/26/13, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote: >>> Umesha, >>> Thanks for this. Please see my responses below. >>>> 1. while announcing the train shortly arriving into the station, they >>>> should announce the position of disabled coach. >>> Agreed. >>> >>>> 2. instead of Braille labels, making audio announcement of coach number >>>> putting speakers at the doors of coaches facing outwards. this is very >>>> much advantageous. one can listen from distance and no need of touching >>>> the train to read coach number which is risky. flexibility to change >>>> numbers since it is through computerized speech output. numbers can be >>>> announced before the train stops completely so that visually impaired >>>> persons can prepare themselves to board the coach within time. >>> I'm not sure what you meant or I didn't understand it quite well. Wouldn't >>> it be confusing, if coach starts speaking all at once? Other option, we can >>> think of a phone app, where you click on your phone app and you get the >>> coach number around you or could locate and guide you to your desired coach >>> >>>> 3. similar to talking ATMs, a talking I V R S based machine to give the >>>> train schedule and train running information to VI with headphone. >>> This is exactly what Harips is talking about kiosks >>> >>>> 4. reservation charts be made available in Braille and other accessible >>>> formats. >>> I am unsure asking Braille chart would be a reasonable ask, but SMS would be >>> fine. >>> >>>> 5. separate ticket counters for disabled including visually challenged >>>> persons in major stations and exemption from the queue in small stations. >>>> (once I visited such a counter in Bangalore city junction many years ago >>>> to buy a ticket with my escort. the operator told me that only wheelchair >>>> users are given tickets in that counter.) >>> Agreed. >>> >>>> 6. issue of identity cards to VIs with unique number and make the database >>>> available while issuing tickets at the counter for verification instead of >>>> asking the Xerox of concession certificate. as you know, we face lot of >>>> problems in getting tickets as they want to vary every part of our >>>> certificate like seal, signature, name of the doctor, his/her register >>>> number, etc. many times they ask us the name and register number when the >>>> writing of doctors is illegible. in some places, they take several minutes >>>> to finish it. >>> I agree, also this would save the paper, but issuing of a separate ID may >>> not be a good idea. Probably UID should play a role. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Srinivasu >>> http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @vasutweets >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Umesha Economics" <umesha....@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Harish has given a good list of recommendations. to add a few, >>>> 1. while announcing the train shortly arriving into the station, they >>>> should announce the position of disabled coach. >>>> 2. instead of Braille labels, making audio announcement of coach number >>>> putting speakers at the doors of coaches facing outwards. this is very >>>> much advantageous. one can listen from distance and no need of touching >>>> the train to read coach number which is risky. flexibility to change >>>> numbers since it is through computerized speech output. numbers can be >>>> announced before the train stops completely so that visually impaired >>>> persons can prepare themselves to board the coach within time. >>>> 3. similar to talking ATMs, a talking I V R S based machine to give the >>>> train schedule and train running information to VI with headphone. >>>> 4. reservation charts be made available in Braille and other accessible >>>> formats. >>>> 5. separate ticket counters for disabled including visually challenged >>>> persons in major stations and exemption from the queue in small stations. >>>> (once I visited such a counter in Bangalore city junction many years ago >>>> to buy a ticket with my escort. the operator told me that only wheelchair >>>> users are given tickets in that counter.) >>>> 6. issue of identity cards to VIs with unique number and make the database >>>> available while issuing tickets at the counter for verification instead of >>>> asking the Xerox of concession certificate. as you know, we face lot of >>>> problems in getting tickets as they want to vary every part of our >>>> certificate like seal, signature, name of the doctor, his/her register >>>> number, etc. many times they ask us the name and register number when the >>>> writing of doctors is illegible. in some places, they take several minutes >>>> to finish it. >>>> >>>> Umesha >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" >>>> <li...@srinivasu.org> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 January, 2013 1:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Braille stickers in trains for visually-challenged >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Harish, >>>>> Certainly, this is a great list. I have captured them in a word document >>>>> and soon put up on my website so that it will be add further notes. Soon >>>>> I >>>>> get the contact info, I shall email them and copy you on it. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -Srini >>>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Kotian, H P <hpkot...@rbi.org.in> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> * Gap between train and platform to be reduced to avoid fatal >>>>>> accidents >>>>>> * Floor of the platform and coach to be on the same level. >>>>>> Especially usefully for wheel chair users >>>>>> * Gap between 2 compartments to be filled up to avoid fatal >>>>>> accidents especially to the blind >>>>>> * Tactile skirting along the edge of the platform to avoid >>>>>> falling >>>>>> of visually impaired on the railway track. >>>>>> * Tactile markings on the platform should lead from compartment >>>>>> for >>>>>> disabled to bridges, escalators, wash-rooms and exits. >>>>>> * Inside the train, in addition to the station announcement, it >>>>>> should announce the direction of the platform, give a steady tone when >>>>>> it >>>>>> is on the platform and make a rising tone when the train is about to >>>>>> start. >>>>>> * Display of Train information and announcements should be >>>>>> prominently displayed so as to enable hearing impaired to get access. >>>>>> * Auditory and Visual announcement of upcoming stations in the >>>>>> train >>>>>> * There should be a separate help-desk for the disabled on all >>>>>> stations for providing assistance to the disabled including wheel chair >>>>>> and >>>>>> escort to the blind. There should be a centralized toll free telephone >>>>>> number which would also be coordinating with these help-desks. >>>>>> * Lift to be accessible for all including wheelchair users to use >>>>>> the cross over bridges and move to platforms >>>>>> * Automated ticket facility should be accessible to all kinds of >>>>>> PWD >>>>>> including visually impaired >>>>>> Online ticketing should also be available while availing concessions >>>>>> provided. >>>>>> * Information Kiosks at Stations should be accessible to all as >>>>>> per >>>>>> Accessibility Guidelines >>>>>> * Provide Sign Language support at help-desk for hearing impaired >>>>>> users >>>>>> * Train schedule available in alternate formats >>>>>> * Accessible Toilets for PWDs >>>>>> * Accessible Tactile Maps >>>>>> * Berth Number in Accessible format >>>>>> * All waiting rooms, cafeterias, night stay accommodation and >>>>>> other >>>>>> facilities provided at the station must be accessible to wheelchair >>>>>> users >>>>>> swell. >>>>>> * have a boarding device such as a portable ramp or a hydraulic >>>>>> lift >>>>>> available on each platform to be used by wheelchair users wanting to >>>>>> board >>>>>> the train. Coolies must be trained in using it >>>>>> * Coolies must be sensitized in assisting disabled passengers >>>>>> Stations should designate reserved parking place for disabled persons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/VasuTweets >>>>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>>>> >>>>> Let's create an inclusive web! >>>>> >>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>>>> of mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> -- >> "Strength is life, weakness is death" >> >> Best Regards >> Mohith B. 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