Dear Rajesh For most topics like these there is no 1 answer and neither a position is right or wrong.
It is a call that we individual take it. If you feel motivated, good if someone else gets motivated that is still better. The point of the discussion is to bring various aspects to perspective. I don't think at least on this list, it is necessary to win a debate. To put it bluntly, we can't use the list to convert others to our point of view. This requires long engagement and one can't do it on a heavy traffic list like AI. This thread continues to be closed. If, anyone has a different take, please write to me and depending, on the merits, I may allow it to be posted. Harish Kotian Email: har...@accessindia.org.in -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 04 July 2014 15:04 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind individuals - Re: my quriyocity are normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners Dear ones, The fact that Ishita or me or anyone else highlights practicalities of blindness does not mean we are demotivated or do not want to do anything about the situation. we are already doing many things, but let us accept the fact that situation on the ground is far from satisfactory. Unrealistically boasting our confidence would prove counterproductive and we have to first accept the reality in order to change it to our advantage. Frankly speaking, positive lecturing repells me. So, let us do our bid, accepting negative situations prevailing, and trying for some betterment in the attitude. all said and done, howsoever conducive the infrastructure and attitudes are, lack of sight would still matter, and the sooner we discard the dreams of perfect felicity with blindness, the better. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Preeti Monga Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:00 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind individuals - Re: my quriyocity are normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners Dear Ishita, Relax a little... we all know that the situation for visually impaired is real bad! We all are ourselves facing so many difficulties all the time. Remember you still have some vision, so why may I ask are you so very upset? I know it is difficult, at times very difficult, to accept what we are getting. But, there are only 2 things we can do... 1 is to let things be as they are and probably let them become worse. 2 do something about the situation, to improve it. Do something, anything, it will only begin to get better very very slowly! If we remain depressed and angry and disheartened, where will we find the courage or the motivation to do something to improve our situation? That is why we need to motivate and encourage each other and together we can do something to make things better Preeti Preeti Monga Director Mobile: +91 9871701646 Landline: 011 22781446 E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training –Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting – Corporate ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 1:29 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind individuals - Re: my quriyocity are normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners I hate awe-inspiring talks which is not constructive in nature. We visually impaired are getting jobs in government sectors mainly thanks to reservation. Though we are enough capable. There may be few individuals who have got jobs in private sectors. But such people can be counted by the tip of finger. Only capability is not enough to perform all tasks. Our offices and work profiles are 99 percent inaccessible for the blind. If a person from private sector wants to employ a blind person he will have to make his system up to the expectation for the blind And which is not always easy or possible. Only awareness can improve our circumstances On 7/4/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote: > I know Avinash, it is very very sad. I do wish I could do something > for them. Let us at least begin somewhere. And imagine the state of > the female blind citizen in those circumstances? Lately I have had > the opportunity of going from village to village in and around Delhi > and UP and Haryana, I can't even begin to write about their state! It > has torne me apart! The female is as it is in a horrendous state, imagine > the ones who are blind? > > Therefore, I have decided to at least make a tiny beginning from > wherever I can with the limited or should I say no resources! > Let us all keep trying whatever we can do, and I am sure something > somewhere will turn up and conditions will begin to improve! > Preeti > > Preeti Monga > Director > > > > Mobile: +91 9871701646 > Landline: 011 22781446 > E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in > Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our > Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training > –Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting – > Corporate ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including > demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive > Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. > > We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete > customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of avinash shahi > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:03 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind > individuals - Re: my quriyocity are > normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners > > You are right sir. > But what about those persons with disabilities who are between 18 to > 35 years of age,unemployed, unmarried, abandoned by families and > invisible to the state? whom Cambridge based educationist Nidhi Singal > has rightly termed: "forgotten youth with disabilities". > On 7/3/14, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote: >> Jobs come later. The primary need of the hour is good quality >> education > and >> high quality rehab services in every district if not every town..! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf >> Of avinash shahi >> Sent: 03 July 2014 14:45 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind >> individuals - Re: my quriyocity are >> normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners >> >> I think it is high time issue of jobs for blind should be discussed >> and dwelled upon in detail. >> So thanks to Ishita for presenting this opportunity for serious >> consideration for me at least. >> >> As far as my reading of literature goes on the topic, it pains me to >> the core. According to one RTI response obtained from DOPT: ' Out of >> over 24 lakh employees belonging to Group A, B and C, the total >> number of persons employed from disabled category was merely 5,014 on >> January 1, 2012' (Yadav, Indian Express, 2013: 3 December) >> > (http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/disabled-have-3--quota-in-govt- > jobs- >> but-add-up-to-only-0.12-/1202425/). >> Further, Census 2001, NSSO 58 round 2002 and World Bank report on >> India 2007 categorically inform us that among disabled people >> employed with publick sector undertakings, the biggest share has >> gone to persons with locomotor disabilities. To make matter worse, >> from unofficial estimate, only 15% jobs in government sectors are >> identified for persons with disabilities, So you can simply surmise >> where are blind people stand today. >> >> Owing to paucity of time I should quickly critically comment on >> private sector and persons with disabilities. Since the neo-liberal >> dispensation has stretched its wings in Indian markets, jobs have >> accrued to a particular class. And the other class which comprises of >> a disabled living in the countryside, who struggles to boast English >> accent, finds it hard to buy computer/mobile what to speak of JAWS >> and Elliquence, has been hit hard. Like any other population group, , >> We blind people also belong to different hierarchical backgrounds. >> And Scheduled caste, scheduled tribes OBCs, and women representing >> herinabove mentioned categories among blind people are hardly found >> in private sector jobs. And majority of those who find jobs in NGOs >> working for/of blind, call-centres and manufacturing units, are >> least-paid and over-worked. So where we stand in private sector in >> general, I think nowhere. But one thing consoles me in India we are >> much better than America, UK and Australia. There unemployment rate >> of disabled is very high, and provision of monthly few hundred >> dollars/Great Britain Pound (GBP) without giving job is still a norm. >> But here in India, we're expected to work if we want to be paid. >> That's superb because what we aspire as human beings of course >> DIGNITY. Lastly, no quality study exists which has analysed the blind >> people's experiences at the workplace. Hope many of access Indians >> along with me would enter in to disability studies in future and >> contribute greatly to the literature which would guide the Indian >> State... >> >> On 7/3/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote: >>> Silver Linings has placed great blind candidates with companies like >>> Microsoft and LPTI and other companies with salaries going into lacs! >>> So dont get disheartened dear we do have disadvantages because we >>> are blind, but that should only get us to explore our hidden >>> potentials and achieve great hights! >>> Preeti >>> >>> Preeti Monga >>> Director >>> >>> >>> >>> Mobile: +91 9871701646 >>> Landline: 011 22781446 >>> E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in >>> Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our >>> Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training >>> -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting - >> Corporate >>> ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including >>> demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, >>> Incentive Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. >>> >>> We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete >>> customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >>> Of Sameer >>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:47 PM >>> To: Access India >>> Subject: [AI] Reply to Ishita's mail regarding jobs for blind >>> individuals >> - >>> Re: my quriyocity are normelpeopleintrestedinmarryingblindpartners >>> >>> >>> Dear Ishita, >>> >>> I have been selected by Reliance Industries Ltd. inspite of being >>> completely >>> >>> blind & will be joining them within a fortnight. I am also aware of >>> other partially & completely blind people working with the Reliance >>> group in Mumbai. >>> >>> Regarding the salary earned by blind individuals in the private >>> sector, >> the >>> >>> salary earned depends upon the individual's designation, capability >>> & qualifications. There are several list members who are employed in >>> the private sector (myself included) who are earning a good salary. >>> So, it is not fair to generalise that the private sector does not >>> pay it's blind employees adequately. >>> >>> I agree that the private sector employers are hesitant to employ >>> blind individuals but there are some employers who are willing to >>> give the >> blind >>> individuals a chance to show that they can perform on par with their >>> sighted >>> >>> counterparts. >>> >>> Regards >>> Mr. Sameer Latey, >>> Mumbai, India >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>> accessibility >> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> >> > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc > essin >> d >>> ia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>> changes, please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.o >>> rg.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. 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