i started my education in blind school and up to my 8th standard in my leadership we have defeated many reputed regular public schools in various competitions on the occasion of republic day celebration. Please note that music competitions are not included in the statement.

----- Original Message ----- From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide


Vidhya has provided a nuanced account of experiences in regular school
which is intentionally underrated and avoided by proponents of
inclusive education. I hope many students can narrate similar stories.
Friends it is time we should speak up and write real experiences so
that experiences are documented and serious discourse is initiated
with the policy-maker for policy intervention. Any idea if not
discussed and debated adequately and hastely promoted for actuation;
may lead to serious ramification. Regular schools can never make you
feel equal not because you are really not equal  but just think about
one terminology adopted by governments in their policy documents.
that is CSN equals (Children with 'special' needs. All recquirements
of a disabled child are 'special' which will always make him/her
special for pity and charity from non-special people. I hope many more
students who are members here will share their experiences of regular
schools. Come on friends we are more than 25 hundred people on the
list. Why only 20 to 25 share discuss and debate? language is no
barrier role your fingers and make issues visible in public domain.
On 7/24/14, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
Well said, vidhya.
Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools because
these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion.
I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a
blind school.
At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with confidence
and in an unhindered manner.
In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children into a a situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let alone
work with confidence in the sighted world.
Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we are
different, and we must understand and deal with that different
successfully.
So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of forcing
blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
Uniformity is not the panacea.
Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students even
with sight.


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-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vidhya Y
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Dear Friends,
I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive
education from Childhood.
this is just my openion.
Sorry if I am wrong.
according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary
school in Blind schools.
I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry
to  leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till
7th Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
I would come home once a Week.
I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind
the regular School.
for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level
in the Blind school.
however,
I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my
Blind Friends.
I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the school.
I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will
find it difficult to take me every where.
because  I studied in a blind school,
I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my
Sighted friends even now.
I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor
games with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms etc.
its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the
work to Visually challenged.
in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work because
my Mom and sisters would do it for me.
there were so many vierd students in my Blind school
who were admitted after 12 years to first grade for example,
there was a girl who did not know how to walk till the age of 12
because her parents were not aware how to teach her.
there was another girl who did not know that even she can play.
isn't it sad that a child doesn't know how to play just because he/she
is Blind?now I can think all this but it is not possible as a child to
think all this.
and I would also learn Bharatanatyam
in the Blind School.
now I dont feel comfortable dancing.
I stay in a town and now if people say anything about my Blindness or
ask me some unwanted questions, I can answer them  in a correct way
bravely.
but  as a kid I would always cry.
then how would I manage to study in a normal school from first grade?
I would have lost all my confidence in childhood itself.
I would top my class in Blind School so  I knew that I can work hard
even in the regular school.
in case I would have studied in a regular school from the very
beginning, because of lack of support of teachers and Friends or lack
of study material I would not do well,
then How would I know that I can top the School?
even though the quality of education was not that great till 7th grade,
I was able to manage and score 95% in 10th grade and also I have done
BCA and now doing a Research project and I am will take up MS soon.
I think I was able to get through so many difficulties in regular High
school and college because of the moral support and confidence that I
got from Blind school.
In 8th grade as soon as I joined regular school,
I missed so much fun and then I realised that I am the only different
student in the school and could participate only  in games like quiz
debate etc.
but I was meture enough in 8th grade to understand all that.
but before that, how would I understand all this?

thanks and regards,
Vidhya

On 7/24/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
100% right Preethi Mam. If we accept the the people as they are and
the situation as it is, we can leed an inclusive life very
successfully.

Renuka.

On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote:
How about getting non disabled people get included in our disabled
culture
instead? This is our culture as much as it is their culture! Mind you,
we
all come from inclusive families anyway! How do we avoid that? Also,
children, disabled or non disabled, come crying anyway from  school and
play
grounds! We all have to teach our children social skills, and one of
these
social skills is; the art of accepting oneself as we are! And to learn
to
focus on our strengths and improve upon areas where we are not so
strong.
Once  our  confidence is high, which again is how we build it for our
children.  I know disability is a singling out point, but the same type
of
discrimination is awarded to Sikh boys and men; the ones who wear their
hair
long and a turben and beard! So  is being a  Sickh gentleman also some
kind
of a disability?
This debate can go on for ever; so let us face it: this world is made up
of
all kinds and types of humans, we all must claim our share in it, and we
must make the most of all the things we have and give life  our best
shot!
Preeti
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-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:31 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
suicide

Preeti mam

humiliation is pervasive in hierarchical Indian society. It does not
inspire me to intentially enrol my blind child in a school where she
cries everyday and loses courage to narrate her humiliating story at
home. I strongly believe I'm very powerful and can coexist in an
inclusive society. and I have enough cultural/social/economic capital
that my inclusiveness will be based on my understanding of disability.
I can not give in to the pressure imposed upon me by so called
non-disabled people that you have to behave in a certain way if you
want to accomodated in our culture. 'Knowledge is power', It is high
time we use power to decide and determine the norms of inclusiveness.
Its enough that non-disabled  people have overarching influence on
disabled people lives. Off to lunch will get back later.
On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote:
Why do we assume that people without disability do not get humiliated
by
others? The human  being enjoys humiliating another human, no matter
how!
Probabely because humiliating someone else, especially those you feel
insecure around, makes you feel superior and elated! Even one blind
person
can be seen humiliating another; then what should we say? I am not
saying
that this is a good practice, but that is how life is. As George very
rightly said, it is a good thing to get used to tackeling harsh
realities
of
life at an early stage. Do you think that family  easily gives up any
opportunity to humiliate another family member? Blind or not. Yes, the
disabled are already suffering so much  that even a little harshness
can
cause enormous pain! I agree with George that we blind cannot live in
isolation and ultimately we have to live in the inclusive society.
Therefore, we need to learn the tactic of staying put in this world
which
insidently also belongs to us as much as it does to anyone else! Yes,
there
can be programmes where people with disabilities are trained to learn
to
deal successfully with the harshness life keeps hurdeling at them!
Preeti

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-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:47 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
suicide

Consider this Avinash: Once you get out of the education stage of your
life, you work and live in an inclusive environment. What about the
humiliation people go through. Inclusion right from early days prepares
one
to deal with the harsh realities of the World. Having said this, there
is
a
lot of work that needs to be done in terms ground preparation of the
inclusive education platform. It is inclusive education that also
prepares
the non disabled population to understand , appreciate and engage with
disability and people with disability.
This subject again can debated.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: 24 July 2014 12:24
To: accessindia; jnuvision; sayeverything
Subject: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

So what the proponents of Inclusive education say on this?
Psychological humiliation leaves more scars ,you know. We do not know
how many of students go through similar experiences in colleges and
universities? who cares about them? This teacher must be suspended
forthwith. People in Odisha must take the matter with the concerned
authorities. Such teachers who are incensitive to the needs of
disabled students and humiliate them the need to be delth sternly by
the law enforcing agencies. Do forward this to the people active in
Odisha.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140724/jsp/odisha/story_18646088.jsp

Cry for suspension of Utkal faculty
OUR CORRESPONDENT
Bhubaneswar, July 23: Visually challenged students today sat on a
protest before the disability commissioner's office here demanding
immediate suspension of the Utkal university faculty Sujit Acharya.

Acharya had allegedly insulted a visually impaired student, who was
compelled him to attempt suicide.

The students squatted in front of the commissioner's office on the
premises of Capital Hospital, where the victim Chakradhar Dash is
admitted since Friday.

Twenty-five-year-old Chakradhar had tried to kill himself after he was
allegedly humiliated by Acharya in an examination hall on July 17.

Dash, a postgraduate student of history under the directorate of
distance and continuing education,had gone to the varsity to appear
for his semester exam.

Chakradhar alleged that the faculty misbehaved with him and made fun
of him and his scribe before the class asking him to sit near the
toilet.

Distressed due to the insult, the student had drunk a full bottle of
phenyl. Friends of the boy, who found him unconscious, rushed him to
the Capital Hospital where he is undergoing treatment.

The student alleged that he was regularly cornered by the faculty of
the directorate and had to study without any books or support of the
teachers.

"We have initiated an inquiry into the matters and will take action
against anyone found guilty," said director Sasmit Pani directorate of
distance and continuing education.

Besides suspension of the teacher, the students also demanded the
proper supply of Braille books and immediate implementation of the
Braille transcription project announced by the government.

A vigilance inquiry must be made into why schemes such as talking
books meant to serve hundreds of blinds children has failed to
deliver, demanded Joginder, a student.

This apart, the students appealed to the state government as to why
the educational institutions have been continuing collection of fee
from the disabled, despite the announcement of the government for a
fee waiver for such candidates.
--
Avinash Shahi
M.Phil Research Scholar
Centre for The Study of Law and Governance
Jawaharlal Nehru University
New Delhi India



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