I  completely agree with the views of Vamshi.There seems to be a
point in his views.This sounds more proffessional.
Regards.
Prof. B.S.M.Kumar.


On 7/24/14, Vamshi. G <gvamsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I was fairly sighted in my school days.  So, no comments about which
> of the two is better. Just a thought.  How about a special educator in
> a main stream school who teaches disabled children the special skills
> that are required to adapt to inclusiveness?  All challenges faced by
> the child should be reported by the teachers to this educator who can
> spend time with children in the evenings and mornings to tell what
> they can do to overcome them.  If I'm not wrong, this concept is what
> they call as integrated education.  While an ideal inclusive
> environment implies everyone to be sensitive to the needs of disabled,
> an integrated education environment involves providing back end
> support(if it can be called so) to train disabled to adapt to the
> inclusive environment.  As the child grows older, the need of such an
> educator should become less, and at  some stage, the child should
> become completely independent.  May be such older children can guide
> their younger ones from then onwards.
>
> On 7/24/14, bhawani shankar verma <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i started my education in blind school and up to my 8th standard in my
>> leadership we have defeated many reputed regular public schools in
>> various
>> competitions on the occasion of republic day celebration. Please note
>> that
>> music competitions are not included in the statement.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>> suicide
>>
>>
>>> Vidhya has provided a nuanced account of experiences in regular school
>>> which is intentionally underrated and avoided by proponents of
>>> inclusive education. I hope many students can narrate similar stories.
>>> Friends it is time we should speak up and write real experiences so
>>> that experiences are documented and serious discourse is initiated
>>> with the policy-maker for policy intervention. Any idea if not
>>> discussed and debated adequately and hastely promoted for actuation;
>>> may lead to serious ramification. Regular schools can never make you
>>> feel equal not because you are really not equal  but just think about
>>> one terminology adopted by governments in their policy documents.
>>> that is CSN equals (Children with 'special' needs. All recquirements
>>> of a disabled child are 'special' which will always make him/her
>>> special for pity and charity from non-special people. I hope many more
>>> students who are members here will share their experiences of regular
>>> schools. Come on friends we are more than 25 hundred people on the
>>> list. Why only 20 to 25 share discuss and debate? language is no
>>> barrier role your fingers and make issues visible in public domain.
>>> On 7/24/14, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>>> Well said, vidhya.
>>>> Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools
>>>> because
>>>> these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion.
>>>> I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a
>>>> blind school.
>>>> At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
>>>> But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with
>>>> confidence
>>>> and in an unhindered manner.
>>>> In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children
>>>> into
>>>>
>>>> a a
>>>> situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let
>>>> alone
>>>> work with confidence in the sighted world.
>>>> Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we
>>>> are
>>>> different, and we must understand and deal with that different
>>>> successfully.
>>>> So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of
>>>> forcing
>>>> blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
>>>> Uniformity is not the panacea.
>>>> Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students
>>>> even
>>>> with sight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With thanks and regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>>
>>>> Assistant General Manager
>>>> Market Intelligence Unit
>>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>>> Nagpur
>>>>
>>>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>>>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want
>>>> them.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Vidhya Y
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning
>>>> the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>> suicide
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>> I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive
>>>> education from Childhood.
>>>> this is just my openion.
>>>> Sorry if I am wrong.
>>>> according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary
>>>> school in Blind schools.
>>>> I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
>>>> before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
>>>> My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry
>>>> to  leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
>>>> but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till
>>>> 7th Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
>>>> I would come home once a Week.
>>>> I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind
>>>> the regular School.
>>>> for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level
>>>> in the Blind school.
>>>> however,
>>>> I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my
>>>> Blind Friends.
>>>> I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the
>>>> school.
>>>> I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
>>>> now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will
>>>> find it difficult to take me every where.
>>>> because  I studied in a blind school,
>>>> I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my
>>>> Sighted friends even now.
>>>> I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor
>>>> games with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
>>>> and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms
>>>> etc.
>>>> its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the
>>>> work to Visually challenged.
>>>> in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work because
>>>> my Mom and sisters would do it for me.
>>>> there were so many vierd students in my Blind school
>>>> who were admitted after 12 years to first grade for example,
>>>> there was a girl who did not know how to walk till the age of 12
>>>> because her parents were not aware how to teach her.
>>>> there was another girl who did not know that even she can play.
>>>> isn't it sad that a child doesn't know how to play just because he/she
>>>> is Blind?now I can think all this but it is not possible as a child to
>>>> think all this.
>>>> and I would also learn Bharatanatyam
>>>> in the Blind School.
>>>> now I dont feel comfortable dancing.
>>>> I stay in a town and now if people say anything about my Blindness or
>>>> ask me some unwanted questions, I can answer them  in a correct way
>>>> bravely.
>>>> but  as a kid I would always cry.
>>>> then how would I manage to study in a normal school from first grade?
>>>> I would have lost all my confidence in childhood itself.
>>>> I would top my class in Blind School so  I knew that I can work hard
>>>> even in the regular school.
>>>> in case I would have studied in a regular school from the very
>>>> beginning, because of lack of support of teachers and Friends or lack
>>>> of study material I would not do well,
>>>> then How would I know that I can top the School?
>>>> even though the quality of education was not that great till 7th grade,
>>>> I was able to manage and score 95% in 10th grade and also I have done
>>>> BCA and now doing a Research project and I am will take up MS soon.
>>>> I think I was able to get through so many difficulties in regular High
>>>> school and college because of the moral support and confidence that I
>>>> got from Blind school.
>>>> In 8th grade as soon as I joined regular school,
>>>> I missed so much fun and then I realised that I am the only different
>>>> student in the school and could participate only  in games like quiz
>>>> debate etc.
>>>> but I was meture enough in 8th grade to understand all that.
>>>> but before that, how would I understand all this?
>>>>
>>>> thanks and regards,
>>>> Vidhya
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 100% right Preethi Mam. If we accept the the people as they are and
>>>>> the situation as it is, we can leed an inclusive life very
>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>
>>>>> Renuka.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>> How about getting non disabled people get included in our disabled
>>>>>> culture
>>>>>> instead? This is our culture as much as it is their culture! Mind
>>>>>> you,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> all come from inclusive families anyway! How do we avoid that? Also,
>>>>>> children, disabled or non disabled, come crying anyway from  school
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> play
>>>>>> grounds! We all have to teach our children social skills, and one of
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> social skills is; the art of accepting oneself as we are! And to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> focus on our strengths and improve upon areas where we are not so
>>>>>> strong.
>>>>>> Once  our  confidence is high, which again is how we build it for our
>>>>>> children.  I know disability is a singling out point, but the same
>>>>>> type
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> discrimination is awarded to Sikh boys and men; the ones who wear
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> hair
>>>>>> long and a turben and beard! So  is being a  Sickh gentleman also
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>> of a disability?
>>>>>> This debate can go on for ever; so let us face it: this world is made
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> all kinds and types of humans, we all must claim our share in it, and
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> must make the most of all the things we have and give life  our best
>>>>>> shot!
>>>>>> Preeti
>>>>>> Preeti Monga
>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobile: +91 9871701646
>>>>>> Landline: 011 22781446
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of avinash shahi
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:31 PM
>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>> the disabled.
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preeti mam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> humiliation is pervasive in hierarchical Indian society. It does not
>>>>>> inspire me to intentially enrol my blind child in a school where she
>>>>>> cries everyday and loses courage to narrate her humiliating story at
>>>>>> home. I strongly believe I'm very powerful and can coexist in an
>>>>>> inclusive society. and I have enough cultural/social/economic capital
>>>>>> that my inclusiveness will be based on my understanding of
>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>> I can not give in to the pressure imposed upon me by so called
>>>>>> non-disabled people that you have to behave in a certain way if you
>>>>>> want to accomodated in our culture. 'Knowledge is power', It is high
>>>>>> time we use power to decide and determine the norms of inclusiveness.
>>>>>> Its enough that non-disabled  people have overarching influence on
>>>>>> disabled people lives. Off to lunch will get back later.
>>>>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do we assume that people without disability do not get
>>>>>>> humiliated
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> others? The human  being enjoys humiliating another human, no matter
>>>>>>> how!
>>>>>>> Probabely because humiliating someone else, especially those you
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> insecure around, makes you feel superior and elated! Even one blind
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> can be seen humiliating another; then what should we say? I am not
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> that this is a good practice, but that is how life is. As George
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> rightly said, it is a good thing to get used to tackeling harsh
>>>>>>> realities
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> life at an early stage. Do you think that family  easily gives up
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> opportunity to humiliate another family member? Blind or not. Yes,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> disabled are already suffering so much  that even a little harshness
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> cause enormous pain! I agree with George that we blind cannot live
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> isolation and ultimately we have to live in the inclusive society.
>>>>>>> Therefore, we need to learn the tactic of staying put in this world
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> insidently also belongs to us as much as it does to anyone else!
>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> can be programmes where people with disabilities are trained to
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> deal successfully with the harshness life keeps hurdeling at them!
>>>>>>> Preeti
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preeti Monga
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Landline: 011 22781446
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>>>>>>> Marketing Data Mining / Refining..
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of George Abraham
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:47 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>> the disabled.'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider this Avinash: Once you get out of the education stage of
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> life, you work and live in an inclusive environment. What about the
>>>>>>> humiliation people go through. Inclusion right from early days
>>>>>>> prepares
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> to deal with the harsh realities of the World. Having said this,
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot of work that needs to be done in terms ground preparation of the
>>>>>>> inclusive education platform. It is inclusive education that also
>>>>>>> prepares
>>>>>>> the non disabled population to understand , appreciate and engage
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> disability and people with disability.
>>>>>>> This subject again can debated.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of avinash shahi
>>>>>>> Sent: 24 July 2014 12:24
>>>>>>> To: accessindia; jnuvision; sayeverything
>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what the proponents of Inclusive education say on this?
>>>>>>> Psychological humiliation leaves more scars ,you know. We do not
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> how many of students go through similar experiences in colleges and
>>>>>>> universities? who cares about them? This teacher must be suspended
>>>>>>> forthwith. People in Odisha must take the matter with the concerned
>>>>>>> authorities. Such teachers who are incensitive to the needs of
>>>>>>> disabled students and humiliate them the need to be delth sternly by
>>>>>>> the law enforcing agencies. Do forward this to the people active in
>>>>>>> Odisha.
>>>>>>> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140724/jsp/odisha/story_18646088.jsp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cry for suspension of Utkal faculty
>>>>>>> OUR CORRESPONDENT
>>>>>>> Bhubaneswar, July 23: Visually challenged students today sat on a
>>>>>>> protest before the disability commissioner's office here demanding
>>>>>>> immediate suspension of the Utkal university faculty Sujit Acharya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Acharya had allegedly insulted a visually impaired student, who was
>>>>>>> compelled him to attempt suicide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The students squatted in front of the commissioner's office on the
>>>>>>> premises of Capital Hospital, where the victim Chakradhar Dash is
>>>>>>> admitted since Friday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twenty-five-year-old Chakradhar had tried to kill himself after he
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> allegedly humiliated by Acharya in an examination hall on July 17.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dash, a postgraduate student of history under the directorate of
>>>>>>> distance and continuing education,had gone to the varsity to appear
>>>>>>> for his semester exam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chakradhar alleged that the faculty misbehaved with him and made fun
>>>>>>> of him and his scribe before the class asking him to sit near the
>>>>>>> toilet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distressed due to the insult, the student had drunk a full bottle of
>>>>>>> phenyl. Friends of the boy, who found him unconscious, rushed him to
>>>>>>> the Capital Hospital where he is undergoing treatment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The student alleged that he was regularly cornered by the faculty of
>>>>>>> the directorate and had to study without any books or support of the
>>>>>>> teachers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We have initiated an inquiry into the matters and will take action
>>>>>>> against anyone found guilty," said director Sasmit Pani directorate
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> distance and continuing education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides suspension of the teacher, the students also demanded the
>>>>>>> proper supply of Braille books and immediate implementation of the
>>>>>>> Braille transcription project announced by the government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A vigilance inquiry must be made into why schemes such as talking
>>>>>>> books meant to serve hundreds of blinds children has failed to
>>>>>>> deliver, demanded Joginder, a student.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This apart, the students appealed to the state government as to why
>>>>>>> the educational institutions have been continuing collection of fee
>>>>>>> from the disabled, despite the announcement of the government for a
>>>>>>> fee waiver for such candidates.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Avinash Shahi
>>>>>>> M.Phil Research Scholar
>>>>>>> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance
>>>>>>> Jawaharlal Nehru University
>>>>>>> New Delhi India
>>>>>>>
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