Dear friends, I was fairly sighted in my school days. So, no comments about which of the two is better. Just a thought. How about a special educator in a main stream school who teaches disabled children the special skills that are required to adapt to inclusiveness? All challenges faced by the child should be reported by the teachers to this educator who can spend time with children in the evenings and mornings to tell what they can do to overcome them. If I'm not wrong, this concept is what they call as integrated education. While an ideal inclusive environment implies everyone to be sensitive to the needs of disabled, an integrated education environment involves providing back end support(if it can be called so) to train disabled to adapt to the inclusive environment. As the child grows older, the need of such an educator should become less, and at some stage, the child should become completely independent. May be such older children can guide their younger ones from then onwards.
On 7/24/14, bhawani shankar verma <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote: > i started my education in blind school and up to my 8th standard in my > leadership we have defeated many reputed regular public schools in various > competitions on the occasion of republic day celebration. Please note that > music competitions are not included in the statement. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide > > >> Vidhya has provided a nuanced account of experiences in regular school >> which is intentionally underrated and avoided by proponents of >> inclusive education. I hope many students can narrate similar stories. >> Friends it is time we should speak up and write real experiences so >> that experiences are documented and serious discourse is initiated >> with the policy-maker for policy intervention. Any idea if not >> discussed and debated adequately and hastely promoted for actuation; >> may lead to serious ramification. Regular schools can never make you >> feel equal not because you are really not equal but just think about >> one terminology adopted by governments in their policy documents. >> that is CSN equals (Children with 'special' needs. All recquirements >> of a disabled child are 'special' which will always make him/her >> special for pity and charity from non-special people. I hope many more >> students who are members here will share their experiences of regular >> schools. Come on friends we are more than 25 hundred people on the >> list. Why only 20 to 25 share discuss and debate? language is no >> barrier role your fingers and make issues visible in public domain. >> On 7/24/14, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >>> Well said, vidhya. >>> Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools because >>> these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion. >>> I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a >>> blind school. >>> At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted. >>> But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with >>> confidence >>> and in an unhindered manner. >>> In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children into >>> >>> a a >>> situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let >>> alone >>> work with confidence in the sighted world. >>> Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we >>> are >>> different, and we must understand and deal with that different >>> successfully. >>> So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of >>> forcing >>> blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools. >>> Uniformity is not the panacea. >>> Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students even >>> with sight. >>> >>> >>> With thanks and regards >>> >>> >>> (Rajesh Asudani) >>> >>> Assistant General Manager >>> Market Intelligence Unit >>> Reserve Bank of India >>> Nagpur >>> >>> Tel.: 0712 2806358 >>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want >>> them.) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Vidhya Y >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted >>> suicide >>> >>> Dear Friends, >>> I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive >>> education from Childhood. >>> this is just my openion. >>> Sorry if I am wrong. >>> according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary >>> school in Blind schools. >>> I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8. >>> before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore. >>> My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry >>> to leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive. >>> but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till >>> 7th Grade just because I had to mingle with other children. >>> I would come home once a Week. >>> I am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind >>> the regular School. >>> for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level >>> in the Blind school. >>> however, >>> I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my >>> Blind Friends. >>> I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the >>> school. >>> I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together. >>> now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will >>> find it difficult to take me every where. >>> because I studied in a blind school, >>> I always thank god that I have so many sweet memories to tell my >>> Sighted friends even now. >>> I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor >>> games with blind friends because its different from what they play. >>> and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms >>> etc. >>> its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the >>> work to Visually challenged. >>> in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work because >>> my Mom and sisters would do it for me. >>> there were so many vierd students in my Blind school >>> who were admitted after 12 years to first grade for example, >>> there was a girl who did not know how to walk till the age of 12 >>> because her parents were not aware how to teach her. >>> there was another girl who did not know that even she can play. >>> isn't it sad that a child doesn't know how to play just because he/she >>> is Blind?now I can think all this but it is not possible as a child to >>> think all this. >>> and I would also learn Bharatanatyam >>> in the Blind School. >>> now I dont feel comfortable dancing. >>> I stay in a town and now if people say anything about my Blindness or >>> ask me some unwanted questions, I can answer them in a correct way >>> bravely. >>> but as a kid I would always cry. >>> then how would I manage to study in a normal school from first grade? >>> I would have lost all my confidence in childhood itself. >>> I would top my class in Blind School so I knew that I can work hard >>> even in the regular school. >>> in case I would have studied in a regular school from the very >>> beginning, because of lack of support of teachers and Friends or lack >>> of study material I would not do well, >>> then How would I know that I can top the School? >>> even though the quality of education was not that great till 7th grade, >>> I was able to manage and score 95% in 10th grade and also I have done >>> BCA and now doing a Research project and I am will take up MS soon. >>> I think I was able to get through so many difficulties in regular High >>> school and college because of the moral support and confidence that I >>> got from Blind school. >>> In 8th grade as soon as I joined regular school, >>> I missed so much fun and then I realised that I am the only different >>> student in the school and could participate only in games like quiz >>> debate etc. >>> but I was meture enough in 8th grade to understand all that. >>> but before that, how would I understand all this? >>> >>> thanks and regards, >>> Vidhya >>> >>> On 7/24/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 100% right Preethi Mam. If we accept the the people as they are and >>>> the situation as it is, we can leed an inclusive life very >>>> successfully. >>>> >>>> Renuka. >>>> >>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote: >>>>> How about getting non disabled people get included in our disabled >>>>> culture >>>>> instead? This is our culture as much as it is their culture! Mind you, >>>>> we >>>>> all come from inclusive families anyway! How do we avoid that? Also, >>>>> children, disabled or non disabled, come crying anyway from school >>>>> and >>>>> play >>>>> grounds! We all have to teach our children social skills, and one of >>>>> these >>>>> social skills is; the art of accepting oneself as we are! And to learn >>>>> to >>>>> focus on our strengths and improve upon areas where we are not so >>>>> strong. >>>>> Once our confidence is high, which again is how we build it for our >>>>> children. I know disability is a singling out point, but the same >>>>> type >>>>> of >>>>> discrimination is awarded to Sikh boys and men; the ones who wear >>>>> their >>>>> hair >>>>> long and a turben and beard! So is being a Sickh gentleman also some >>>>> kind >>>>> of a disability? >>>>> This debate can go on for ever; so let us face it: this world is made >>>>> up >>>>> of >>>>> all kinds and types of humans, we all must claim our share in it, and >>>>> we >>>>> must make the most of all the things we have and give life our best >>>>> shot! >>>>> Preeti >>>>> Preeti Monga >>>>> Director >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mobile: +91 9871701646 >>>>> Landline: 011 22781446 >>>>> E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in >>>>> Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org >>>>> Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. >>>>> Training >>>>> -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting - >>>>> Corporate >>>>> ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including >>>>> demystifying >>>>> workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and >>>>> Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. >>>>> >>>>> We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete >>>>> customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of avinash shahi >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:31 PM >>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>> concerning >>>>> the disabled. >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted >>>>> suicide >>>>> >>>>> Preeti mam >>>>> >>>>> humiliation is pervasive in hierarchical Indian society. It does not >>>>> inspire me to intentially enrol my blind child in a school where she >>>>> cries everyday and loses courage to narrate her humiliating story at >>>>> home. I strongly believe I'm very powerful and can coexist in an >>>>> inclusive society. and I have enough cultural/social/economic capital >>>>> that my inclusiveness will be based on my understanding of disability. >>>>> I can not give in to the pressure imposed upon me by so called >>>>> non-disabled people that you have to behave in a certain way if you >>>>> want to accomodated in our culture. 'Knowledge is power', It is high >>>>> time we use power to decide and determine the norms of inclusiveness. >>>>> Its enough that non-disabled people have overarching influence on >>>>> disabled people lives. Off to lunch will get back later. >>>>> On 7/24/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote: >>>>>> Why do we assume that people without disability do not get humiliated >>>>>> by >>>>>> others? The human being enjoys humiliating another human, no matter >>>>>> how! >>>>>> Probabely because humiliating someone else, especially those you feel >>>>>> insecure around, makes you feel superior and elated! Even one blind >>>>>> person >>>>>> can be seen humiliating another; then what should we say? I am not >>>>>> saying >>>>>> that this is a good practice, but that is how life is. As George very >>>>>> rightly said, it is a good thing to get used to tackeling harsh >>>>>> realities >>>>>> of >>>>>> life at an early stage. Do you think that family easily gives up any >>>>>> opportunity to humiliate another family member? Blind or not. Yes, >>>>>> the >>>>>> disabled are already suffering so much that even a little harshness >>>>>> can >>>>>> cause enormous pain! I agree with George that we blind cannot live in >>>>>> isolation and ultimately we have to live in the inclusive society. >>>>>> Therefore, we need to learn the tactic of staying put in this world >>>>>> which >>>>>> insidently also belongs to us as much as it does to anyone else! Yes, >>>>> there >>>>>> can be programmes where people with disabilities are trained to learn >>>>>> to >>>>>> deal successfully with the harshness life keeps hurdeling at them! >>>>>> Preeti >>>>>> >>>>>> Preeti Monga >>>>>> Director >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mobile: +91 9871701646 >>>>>> Landline: 011 22781446 >>>>>> E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in >>>>>> Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org >>>>>> Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. >>>>>> Training >>>>>> -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting - >>>>> Corporate >>>>>> ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including >>>>>> demystifying >>>>>> workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and >>>>>> Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. >>>>>> >>>>>> We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete >>>>>> customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of George Abraham >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:47 PM >>>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>> concerning >>>>>> the disabled.' >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted >>>>> suicide >>>>>> >>>>>> Consider this Avinash: Once you get out of the education stage of >>>>>> your >>>>>> life, you work and live in an inclusive environment. What about the >>>>>> humiliation people go through. Inclusion right from early days >>>>>> prepares >>>>> one >>>>>> to deal with the harsh realities of the World. Having said this, >>>>>> there >>>>>> is >>>>> a >>>>>> lot of work that needs to be done in terms ground preparation of the >>>>>> inclusive education platform. It is inclusive education that also >>>>>> prepares >>>>>> the non disabled population to understand , appreciate and engage >>>>>> with >>>>>> disability and people with disability. >>>>>> This subject again can debated. >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of avinash shahi >>>>>> Sent: 24 July 2014 12:24 >>>>>> To: accessindia; jnuvision; sayeverything >>>>>> Subject: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted >>>>>> suicide >>>>>> >>>>>> So what the proponents of Inclusive education say on this? >>>>>> Psychological humiliation leaves more scars ,you know. We do not know >>>>>> how many of students go through similar experiences in colleges and >>>>>> universities? who cares about them? This teacher must be suspended >>>>>> forthwith. People in Odisha must take the matter with the concerned >>>>>> authorities. Such teachers who are incensitive to the needs of >>>>>> disabled students and humiliate them the need to be delth sternly by >>>>>> the law enforcing agencies. Do forward this to the people active in >>>>>> Odisha. >>>>>> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140724/jsp/odisha/story_18646088.jsp >>>>>> >>>>>> Cry for suspension of Utkal faculty >>>>>> OUR CORRESPONDENT >>>>>> Bhubaneswar, July 23: Visually challenged students today sat on a >>>>>> protest before the disability commissioner's office here demanding >>>>>> immediate suspension of the Utkal university faculty Sujit Acharya. >>>>>> >>>>>> Acharya had allegedly insulted a visually impaired student, who was >>>>>> compelled him to attempt suicide. >>>>>> >>>>>> The students squatted in front of the commissioner's office on the >>>>>> premises of Capital Hospital, where the victim Chakradhar Dash is >>>>>> admitted since Friday. >>>>>> >>>>>> Twenty-five-year-old Chakradhar had tried to kill himself after he >>>>>> was >>>>>> allegedly humiliated by Acharya in an examination hall on July 17. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dash, a postgraduate student of history under the directorate of >>>>>> distance and continuing education,had gone to the varsity to appear >>>>>> for his semester exam. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chakradhar alleged that the faculty misbehaved with him and made fun >>>>>> of him and his scribe before the class asking him to sit near the >>>>>> toilet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Distressed due to the insult, the student had drunk a full bottle of >>>>>> phenyl. 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