completely agreed with George sir, akansha has expressed absolute truth. We should not ggeneralize everything and if a sighted person is expressing anything contradictory about community we should welcome as well. here is my discussion on scribe, hope it will help to understand all things in this regard, https://www.youtube.comy
On 3/18/15, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > Adequate supervision certainly would allow for fair usage of scribes. > However, what is the feasibility of implementing a rule that allows > visually impaired students to give their exams using their preferred > means, namely - > * Scribe > * Computer > * Braille > Those who can, would then be allowed to use computers, and those who > can't always have the other two alternative means available. > Recently, while talking to a school teacher, she expressed her > dissatisfactory experience with finding scribes (for other > differently-abled such as learning disabled, but not blind) for > students' in the Board exams. During the conversation, she also was > saying that the CBSE Board head Vineet Joshi was going to retire and a > new head or something like that would come up. Will the arrival of the > new CBSE Board head have any consequences or implications affecting > the rules and guidelines for visually impaired students writing exams? > Just asking out of curiosity. > Thanks. > > On 3/18/15, SKYLINER <dn...@rediffmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:47:26 +0530 "li...@srinivasu.org" wrote >> >>>Totally agree. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have seen situation in some schools where students give out text books >> to >> scribes in advance for them to prepare. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Whether it's computer based or using scribe, students should be well >> prepared. And in some cases, I have also seen lack of quality teaching in >> schools. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I cannot disclose something here but I'm really proud of students like >> Kartik!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks much. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 18-Mar-2015, at 15:52, Dinesh Kaushal wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> O my god, this issue can bring to mind many problems that we have faced >> >> >> >>> while appearing for our exams. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Though many of us would have faced many problems during our exams, but >>> no >> >> >> >>> one discussed that a scribe would be emotionally pressured to help as >>> well. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Apart from scribes, some supervisors also want to help you. All of this >> >> >> >>> indicates that people have low faith in the abilities of persons with >> >> >> >>> disabilities and if you ask me, taking help this way during the exam is >>> an >> >> >> >>> insult to oneself. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> I agree with George. We all know that many people try to seek help from >> >> >> >>> scribe, and Such incidences lead to weird rules such as scribe should >>> not >> >> >> >>> have scored more than 50 percent marks, or the scribe should not be from >>> the >> >> >> >>> same field. These rules hurt other candidates, as someone from >>> non-science >> >> >> >>> or mathematics field is often not able to explain the content in a >> >> >> >>> meaningful way. Once I had to appear for a masters level entrance exam, >>> and >> >> >> >>> the person who was assigned as my scribe was 12th pass and he could not >> >> >> >>> speak in English,(I had to ask him to spell words) and he did not >>> understand >> >> >> >>> importance of diagrams, so he just read out questions without letting me >> >> >> >>> know that there are diagrams associated with those questions. After 2 to >>> 3 >> >> >> >>> questions, I realized that these questions are not making any sense >>> unless >> >> >> >>> there is a diagram. And then there are other problems related to Greek >>> and >> >> >> >>> other exotic symbols. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Scenario is way better in international exams, and we can learn from >>> them. >>> I >> >> >> >>> have appeared for 3 international exams. In all of the international >>> exams >> >> >> >>> that I appeared, they monitored with the help of CCTV so that there is >>> no >> >> >> >>> help from the scribe. But they do not impose such conditions such as >>> maximum >> >> >> >>> marks and area of specialization. Once I enquired about the >>> qualification >>> of >> >> >> >>> the scribe, the guy told me that you can get who so ever you want, I >>> will >> >> >> >>> ensure you don't cheat. In other tests the condition was that the scribe >> >> >> >>> should not have appeared for and should not be planning to appear for >>> the >> >> >> >>> same test within one year. But that condition is to ensure that the >>> scribe >> >> >> >>> does not benefit by being a scribe. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> So what is the answer for this problem? Unfortunately, everyone cannot >> >> >> >>> appear for exams with the help of computer and many exams cannot be >>> taken >> >> >> >>> with the help of computer. Same is the case with Braille. Until we can >>> solve >> >> >> >>> that problem, better supervision is the answer. Apart from supervision, >> >> >> >>> scribe and supervisor should be asked to sign an oath that they will not >> >> >> >>> help the candidate and helping the candidate in this way would mean the >> >> >> >>> candidate is incompetent. the candidate should also sign the same oath. >>> If >> >> >> >>> all of them sign the same oath, they would most likely not do the wrong >> >> >> >>> thing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >>> Dinesh >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> >> >> >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Search for old postings at: >> >> >> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >> >> >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >> >> >> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Disclaimer: >> >> >> >>> 1. 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Some parents approached me >> to >> get their VI child admission in some blind school in class 9th last year. >> I >> ran toes from NAB Delhi to BRA, King's way, Panchkiya, Lucknow, Benaras, >> NIVH Dehradun-there was no place for a blind boy to study. Irony today >> whereas is that CBSE allowed this boy to go privately, CBSE relaxes the >> rules today in schools asking no students to fail by Std.VIII, grade >> markings to destress students. >> >> In eastern UP, certificates are purchased on few thousantds, Railway >> recruits are purchased & whole q paper solved & most illitwerate employed >> by >> paying few lacs. >> >> >> >> Is blind committing henous crime if this lady has helped him & made him >> eligible to have education which even blind schools deny today? I >> understand her conscience is still crude & needs maturation to go by the >> ways of the world. >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Warm Regards > Bhavya > Reach me through the following means: > Mobile: +91 7506221750 > E-mail id: bhavya.shah...@gmail.com > Skype id : bhavya.09 > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. 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