This is the biggest problem with some of our fellow members, when everr someone tries to put the right prospective before us rather than following or contemplating we attach that person emotionally and try to defend just because we have to show that we are the true devotee of the community.
On 3/18/15, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote: > It seems some of the honest people of our community have owned the > responsibility of cleansing the exam system which wreaks > disproportionate amount of burden on the examining institutions. These > whistleblowers deserve salute. > > I'm deeply appalled to observe, instead of raising issues such as > non-availability of textbooks on time, non-cooperative administrative > apparatus, full of negative inhibitions among teachers about disabled > students and absence of human support system outside the school are > absent from discussion. We should certainly contemplate on questions: > why a blind student is desperate to indulge in immoral practice of > cheating in exams? Does he do by choice or he is left with no other > option? I would just flag one provocative point and sign out: We the > handful of privileged, tech-savvy, who are either employed or assured > of earning, are doing injustice to those who are compelled to find > livelihood amidst no hope. We should discuss examination loopholes in > larger context then we will realize the real gap. Note: I wrote my all > exams on computer since my MPhil first semester. > > On 3/18/15, akshun mahajan <akshunmahajan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> completely agreed with George sir, >> akansha has expressed absolute truth. >> We should not ggeneralize everything and if a sighted person is >> expressing anything contradictory about community we should welcome >> as well. >> here is my discussion on scribe, hope it will help to understand all >> things in this regard, >> https://www.youtube.comy >> >> >> On 3/18/15, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Adequate supervision certainly would allow for fair usage of scribes. >>> However, what is the feasibility of implementing a rule that allows >>> visually impaired students to give their exams using their preferred >>> means, namely - >>> * Scribe >>> * Computer >>> * Braille >>> Those who can, would then be allowed to use computers, and those who >>> can't always have the other two alternative means available. >>> Recently, while talking to a school teacher, she expressed her >>> dissatisfactory experience with finding scribes (for other >>> differently-abled such as learning disabled, but not blind) for >>> students' in the Board exams. During the conversation, she also was >>> saying that the CBSE Board head Vineet Joshi was going to retire and a >>> new head or something like that would come up. Will the arrival of the >>> new CBSE Board head have any consequences or implications affecting >>> the rules and guidelines for visually impaired students writing exams? >>> Just asking out of curiosity. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On 3/18/15, SKYLINER <dn...@rediffmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:47:26 +0530 "li...@srinivasu.org" wrote >>>> >>>>>Totally agree. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have seen situation in some schools where students give out text >>>> books >>>> to >>>> scribes in advance for them to prepare. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Whether it's computer based or using scribe, students should be well >>>> prepared. And in some cases, I have also seen lack of quality teaching >>>> in >>>> schools. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I cannot disclose something here but I'm really proud of students like >>>> Kartik!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks much. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 18-Mar-2015, at 15:52, Dinesh Kaushal wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> O my god, this issue can bring to mind many problems that we have >>>>> faced >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> while appearing for our exams. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Though many of us would have faced many problems during our exams, but >>>>> no >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> one discussed that a scribe would be emotionally pressured to help as >>>>> well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Apart from scribes, some supervisors also want to help you. All of >>>>> this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> indicates that people have low faith in the abilities of persons with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> disabilities and if you ask me, taking help this way during the exam >>>>> is >>>>> an >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> insult to oneself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree with George. We all know that many people try to seek help >>>>> from >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> scribe, and Such incidences lead to weird rules such as scribe should >>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> have scored more than 50 percent marks, or the scribe should not be >>>>> from >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> same field. These rules hurt other candidates, as someone from >>>>> non-science >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> or mathematics field is often not able to explain the content in a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> meaningful way. Once I had to appear for a masters level entrance >>>>> exam, >>>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the person who was assigned as my scribe was 12th pass and he could >>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> speak in English,(I had to ask him to spell words) and he did not >>>>> understand >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> importance of diagrams, so he just read out questions without letting >>>>> me >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> know that there are diagrams associated with those questions. After 2 >>>>> to >>>>> 3 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> questions, I realized that these questions are not making any sense >>>>> unless >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> there is a diagram. And then there are other problems related to Greek >>>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> other exotic symbols. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Scenario is way better in international exams, and we can learn from >>>>> them. >>>>> I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> have appeared for 3 international exams. In all of the international >>>>> exams >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that I appeared, they monitored with the help of CCTV so that there is >>>>> no >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> help from the scribe. But they do not impose such conditions such as >>>>> maximum >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> marks and area of specialization. Once I enquired about the >>>>> qualification >>>>> of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the scribe, the guy told me that you can get who so ever you want, I >>>>> will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ensure you don't cheat. In other tests the condition was that the >>>>> scribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should not have appeared for and should not be planning to appear for >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> same test within one year. But that condition is to ensure that the >>>>> scribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> does not benefit by being a scribe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So what is the answer for this problem? Unfortunately, everyone cannot >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> appear for exams with the help of computer and many exams cannot be >>>>> taken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> with the help of computer. Same is the case with Braille. Until we can >>>>> solve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that problem, better supervision is the answer. Apart from >>>>> supervision, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> scribe and supervisor should be asked to sign an oath that they will >>>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> help the candidate and helping the candidate in this way would mean >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> candidate is incompetent. the candidate should also sign the same >>>>> oath. >>>>> If >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> all of them sign the same oath, they would most likely not do the >>>>> wrong >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>> accessibility >>>>> of >>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 1. 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Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>>> of >>>> the >>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>> veracity; >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>>> mails >>>> sent through this mailing list.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I may look a bit awkward but may I be practical. I would regret if all >>>> the >>>> moral lessons would only go for a VI in the world today. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I reckon this woman has been somewhat immature in feeling blackmailed >>>> by >>>> inability/inefficiency of a blind person & counts herself a lot in her >>>> senses of doing right & wrong. But if we look at the issue with >>>> various >>>> perspectives of life, things may be seen in some other lights too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It's my personal experience & have undergone. Some parents approached >>>> me >>>> to >>>> get their VI child admission in some blind school in class 9th last >>>> year. >>>> I >>>> ran toes from NAB Delhi to BRA, King's way, Panchkiya, Lucknow, >>>> Benaras, >>>> NIVH Dehradun-there was no place for a blind boy to study. Irony today >>>> whereas is that CBSE allowed this boy to go privately, CBSE relaxes the >>>> rules today in schools asking no students to fail by Std.VIII, grade >>>> markings to destress students. >>>> >>>> In eastern UP, certificates are purchased on few thousantds, Railway >>>> recruits are purchased & whole q paper solved & most illitwerate >>>> employed >>>> by >>>> paying few lacs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is blind committing henous crime if this lady has helped him & made him >>>> eligible to have education which even blind schools deny today? I >>>> understand her conscience is still crude & needs maturation to go by >>>> the >>>> ways of the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>>> of >>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: >>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>>> of >>>> the >>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>> veracity; >>>> >>>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>>> mails >>>> sent through this mailing list.. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm Regards >>> Bhavya >>> Reach me through the following means: >>> Mobile: +91 7506221750 >>> E-mail id: bhavya.shah...@gmail.com >>> Skype id : bhavya.09 >>> >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the >>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>> >>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >> >> >> -- >> we want peace not pieces. >> regards, >> Danish Mahajan >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. 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