Will update as soon as I can. Meeting held. Adjourned to another date to be
fixed later. No decisions taken. All is still well.
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
What, if anything, happened in the meeting which was supposed to be last
week?
Any updates?
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:48 AM
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Dear listers:
My questions/comments and suggestions regarding the scribe guidelines
are as under:
1. few of the examination conducting bodies provide their own writers
like SSC. My personal experience is that I got the scribe who was
disinterestted in the exam and was in a hurry to just finish the exam.
All he was interested in Rs. 250 which they got as a scribe fee.
Should SSC and others not do some sensitisation programme before they
send their employees as scribes?
2. The current MSJE scribe guidelines are very flexible and its
implementation solely lies with the invigilator by being strongly
vigilant. To do away with this responsibility, strong rules are
imposed on candidates. Sighted people also cheat. Thus, the eligation
on blind candidates is not exceptional. At the end of the day cheating
is a human tendencies. Thus, strong invigilation is meant for all the
candidates.
3. Can there be a provision of Writer Bank by MSJE?
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On 6/24/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
They can't be too nerrowly defined also!
On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such
guidelines those will struggle in their implementation.
On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm
persuing
B
C a.
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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Ajay Minocha
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM
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concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
Hi,
For your reference, sighting an example.
I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which is
only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs.
It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM", "Measurement
of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc".
How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who
hasn't even seen them before?
Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her right
the equation correctly?
Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past.
If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew
formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage
to do this in so- called time limit?
Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career?
How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation
correctly?
If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the
calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not
involved?
Hope this clarifies things.
Regards,
Ajay
On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all
the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If one
person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is junior
from the same stream who know how to write those particular symbols?
In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have
passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is it
too hard?
Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be
changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating
etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam.
And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called MSJE
guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause.
On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have following things to say.
1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on qualification
isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown malpractices by the
candidates.
If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks by
greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of system and
other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of them. Here I
fully
agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the
practical side of it in this country's one of the most prestigious
business school.
2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because the
person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is over
qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining body
doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my
preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular
content?
3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates to
use screenreaders.
Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal has
a
workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the
system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader user's
perspective?
The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the exams
can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost.
4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage of
mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big concern
for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a CCTV have to
rely on human beings only.
P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt
anyone's feelings.
Regards,
Ajay
On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check
malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition like
lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone Age.
This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in
terms
of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather than,
over
the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates.
Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm of
the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and open-mindedly.
On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply
legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only
inefficient
and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was easy for
unskilled
people to survive in 19th and 20th century because they did have
plenty
of
works to do. But today, the situation has completely changed.
Imagine
if
such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I
knew
about
a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams
with
blind
students before the exams and, in this process, dull students were
ensured
best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing
newspaper
headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than
all
other
schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If such
guidelines
are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind who
are
interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind individuals,
then
there is no point in arguing about this subject.
Thanks.
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