Quite true ,I understand this is an unfortunate fact
of having a bad scribe could ruin the talent of a disabled.i suffered it
for 4 years before getting a right scribe for clearing CA final.
Regards
CA S Vijay Kumar
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I had had a long chat with Beno Zephine who recently made it to the IFS.
She has made the cut in her second attempt. The first time round she had a
bad scribe and therefore suffered. I am not quite sure if reliance on the
UPSE or for that matter any board conducting exams to provide the scribe is
doing justice to the true calibre of the blind person taking the exam. We
work hard and the final outcome is a bloody lotary.
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I think UPSC papers are descriptive in nature.
So, why are fools worried so much about cheating?
Can't they curb it by reasonably good invegilators?
Or there is a derth of them in UPSC!
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What, if anything, happened in the meeting which was supposed to be last
week?
Any updates?
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Dear listers:
My questions/comments and suggestions regarding the scribe guidelines are
as under:
1. few of the examination conducting bodies provide their own writers like
SSC. My personal experience is that I got the scribe who was disinterestted
in the exam and was in a hurry to just finish the exam.
All he was interested in Rs. 250 which they got as a scribe fee.
Should SSC and others not do some sensitisation programme before they send
their employees as scribes?
2. The current MSJE scribe guidelines are very flexible and its
implementation solely lies with the invigilator by being strongly vigilant.
To do away with this responsibility, strong rules are imposed on candidates.
Sighted people also cheat. Thus, the eligation on blind candidates is not
exceptional. At the end of the day cheating is a human tendencies. Thus,
strong invigilation is meant for all the candidates.
3. Can there be a provision of Writer Bank by MSJE?
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On 6/24/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They can't be too nerrowly defined also!
>
> On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such
>> guidelines those will struggle in their implementation.
>>
>> On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm
>>> persuing B C a.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Ajay Minocha
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> For your reference, sighting an example.
>>> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which
>>> is only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs.
>>> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM",
>>> "Measurement of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc".
>>> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who
>>> hasn't even seen them before?
>>> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her
>>> right the equation correctly?
>>> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past.
>>> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew
>>> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage
>>> to do this in so- called time limit?
>>> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career?
>>> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation
>>> correctly?
>>> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the
>>> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not
>>> involved?
>>> Hope this clarifies things.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all
>>>> the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If
>>>> one person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is
>>>> junior from the same stream who know how to write those particular
symbols?
>>>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have
>>>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is
>>>> it too hard?
>>>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be
>>>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating
>>>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam.
>>>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called
>>>> MSJE guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I have following things to say.
>>>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on
>>>>> qualification isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown
>>>>> malpractices by the candidates.
>>>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks
>>>>> by greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of
>>>>> system and other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of
>>>>> them. Here I
fully
>>>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the
>>>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most prestigious
>>>>> business school.
>>>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because
>>>>> the person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is
>>>>> over qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining
>>>>> body doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my
>>>>> preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular
>>>>> content?
>>>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates
>>>>> to use screenreaders.
>>>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal
>>>>> has
a
>>>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the
>>>>> system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader
>>>>> user's perspective?
>>>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the
>>>>> exams can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost.
>>>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage
>>>>> of mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big
>>>>> concern for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a
>>>>> CCTV have to rely on human beings only.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt
>>>>> anyone's feelings.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ajay
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check
>>>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition
>>>>>> like lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone
Age.
>>>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in
>>>>>> terms of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather
>>>>>> than, over the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates.
>>>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm
>>>>>> of the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and
open-mindedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply
>>>>>>> legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only
>>>>>>> inefficient and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was
>>>>>>> easy for unskilled people to survive in 19th and 20th century
>>>>>>> because they did have plenty of works to do. But today, the
>>>>>>> situation has completely changed.
>>>>>>> Imagine
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I
>>>>>>> knew about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams
with
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students
>>>>>>> were ensured
>>>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing
>>>>>>> newspaper
>>>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than
all
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If
>>>>>>> such guidelines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind
>>>>>>> who are interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind
>>>>>>> individuals, then there is no point in arguing about this
>>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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