We must find an amicable solution to this, just by stating a
fact that all good scribe would be busy in their respective profession ,we
are doing no justice to the career of disabled. I faced with ICAI ,I have
been provided an under graduate scribe for writing CA finals-- resulting
loss of 4 years to qualify..
Regards
CA S Vijay Kumar
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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Aravind R
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:32 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
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Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
thats what i also ment rajesh sir.
UPSC descriptive main papers warrents extra-ordinary original creative ideas
about recent issues along with deep knowledge which no scribe can help.
such intelligent scribes will be busy in their profession and will have no
time to write for us.
its unnecessary confusion and problem created by our own members which has
the dangerous posibility of setting us backwards.
On 6/25/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> I had had a long chat with Beno Zephine who recently made it to the IFS.
> She has made the cut in her second attempt. The first time round she
> had a bad scribe and therefore suffered. I am not quite sure if
> reliance on the UPSE or for that matter any board conducting exams to
> provide the scribe is doing justice to the true calibre of the blind
> person taking the exam. We work hard and the final outcome is a bloody
lotary.
>
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> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 25 June 2015 11:10
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> I think UPSC papers are descriptive in nature.
> So, why are fools worried so much about cheating?
> Can't they curb it by reasonably good invegilators?
> Or there is a derth of them in UPSC!
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:05 AM
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> What, if anything, happened in the meeting which was supposed to be
> last week?
> Any updates?
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> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:48 AM
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> Dear listers:
>
> My questions/comments and suggestions regarding the scribe guidelines
> are as under:
>
>
> 1. few of the examination conducting bodies provide their own writers
> like SSC. My personal experience is that I got the scribe who was
> disinterestted in the exam and was in a hurry to just finish the exam.
> All he was interested in Rs. 250 which they got as a scribe fee.
> Should SSC and others not do some sensitisation programme before they
> send their employees as scribes?
> 2. The current MSJE scribe guidelines are very flexible and its
> implementation solely lies with the invigilator by being strongly
> vigilant. To do away with this responsibility, strong rules are
> imposed on candidates. Sighted people also cheat. Thus, the eligation
> on blind candidates is not exceptional. At the end of the day cheating
> is a human tendencies. Thus, strong invigilation is meant for all the
> candidates.
> 3. Can there be a provision of Writer Bank by MSJE?
>
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> On 6/24/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> They can't be too nerrowly defined also!
>>
>> On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such
>>> guidelines those will struggle in their implementation.
>>>
>>> On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm
>>>> persuing B C a.
>>>>
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>>>> On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> For your reference, sighting an example.
>>>> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which
>>>> is only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs.
>>>> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM",
>>>> "Measurement of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc".
>>>> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who
>>>> hasn't even seen them before?
>>>> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her
>>>> right the equation correctly?
>>>> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past.
>>>> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew
>>>> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he
>>>> manage to do this in so- called time limit?
>>>> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career?
>>>> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/
>>>> equation correctly?
>>>> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the
>>>> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not
>>>> involved?
>>>> Hope this clarifies things.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ajay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows
>>>>> all the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you?
>>>>> If one person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who
>>>>> is junior from the same stream who know how to write those particular
symbols?
>>>>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have
>>>>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing.
>>>>> Is it too hard?
>>>>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be
>>>>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating
>>>>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam.
>>>>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called
>>>>> MSJE guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have following things to say.
>>>>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on
>>>>>> qualification isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown
>>>>>> malpractices by the candidates.
>>>>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in
>>>>>> banks by greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw
>>>>>> of system and other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of
>>>>>> them. Here I
> fully
>>>>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the
>>>>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most
>>>>>> prestigious business school.
>>>>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because
>>>>>> the person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is
>>>>>> over qualified and the other one which is allowed by the
>>>>>> examining body doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget
>>>>>> about my preparation and teach him how to read and right that
>>>>>> particular content?
>>>>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the
>>>>>> candidates to use screenreaders.
>>>>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal
>>>>>> has
> a
>>>>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that
>>>>>> the system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader
>>>>>> user's perspective?
>>>>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the
>>>>>> exams can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost.
>>>>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage
>>>>>> of mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big
>>>>>> concern for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a
>>>>>> CCTV have to rely on human beings only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt
>>>>>> anyone's feelings.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ajay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check
>>>>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition
>>>>>>> like lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone
Age.
>>>>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in
>>>>>>> terms of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system
>>>>>>> rather than, over the most deprived and neglected poor blind
>>>>>>> candidates.
>>>>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm
>>>>>>> of the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and
open-mindedly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are
>>>>>>>> simply legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create
>>>>>>>> only inefficient and unskilled blind mass. Please remember,
>>>>>>>> it was easy for unskilled people to survive in 19th and 20th
>>>>>>>> century because they did have plenty of works to do. But
>>>>>>>> today, the situation has completely changed.
>>>>>>>> Imagine
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels.
>>>>>>>> I knew about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams
> with
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students
>>>>>>>> were ensured
>>>>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing
>>>>>>>> newspaper
>>>>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better
>>>>>>>> than
> all
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If
>>>>>>>> such guidelines
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind
>>>>>>>> who are interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind
>>>>>>>> individuals, then there is no point in arguing about this
>>>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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