There's still that question of cost. Not just product price (which is generally out of sight), but the cost of training, additional hardware resources, consultants, IBM's insistence on implementing their other add-ons, and IBM's ultimate plan of selling their services so IT can be outsourced.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Tivoli Tivoli today is not nearly as horrible on the Windows Server Platform as it may have been before. Reference the following article...starting at about paragraph 7: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=6502661 IBM's "IBM Tivoli Monitoring" products are nearly completely based on WMI. ITM seems to provide flexibility and capability to effectively monitor one's windows server platform w/o wanting to take a shot at the developers for making your life Hell. I am an admitted convert. I'm certainly not saying that Tivoli is the best [I don't know who is.]. ITM does have its limitations and issues. I am saying that the Tivoli products needed to monitor a Windows Server infrastructure are 'today' should not be the resource drain that it may have been in the past...providing you leave the past in the past...don't bring that "stuff" (<--being kind) over to the new and improved Tivoli... One could even simply attribute this notion to the fact that ITM, again is almost completely based on WMI (Windows Management Instrumentation). Any one directly leveraging WMI is quite aware of the capabilities... especially on W2k/W2k3 boxes. From a 'single product' standpoint, you won't go wrong with selecting MOM, AppManager, or Tivoli. Eric Jones, Senior SE Intel Server Group (W) 336.424.3084 (M) 336.457.2591 www.vfc.com |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Rod Trent" | | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | tivedir.org | | | | | | | | | 07/14/2003 12:52 PM | | | Please respond to | | | ActiveDir | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| | | | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Tivoli | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| But, at what cost? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Tivoli Here ya' go. You will probably "enjoy" managing with Tivoli's current products. I'm monitoring our entire W2k3/AD lab environment with Tivoli. I think they've gotten it right this time (with customization). http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/Portals/TivoliTME10MailingList Eric Jones, Senior SE Intel Server Group (W) 336.424.3084 (M) 336.457.2591 www.vfc.com |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bjelke John A Contr | | | AFRL/VSIO | | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | f.mil> | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | tivedir.org | | | | | | | | | 07/14/2003 11:38 AM | | | Please respond to | | | ActiveDir | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- ---------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: | | Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Tivoli | >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- ---------------------------------------------------| Any of you folks know of a good list (or would that be a "support group"?) for Tivoli? John A. Bjelke Unisys 505.853.6774 [EMAIL PROTECTED] C8H10N4O2 Philosophy! Empty thinking by ignorant conceited men who think they can digest without eating! -Iris Murdoch List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/