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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:32 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
That process is trivial in itself. It does not take much to
transfer the roles before you conduct maintenance on a
server. Why not do it? It will save you cleaning up
metadata after you seize a role of a failed operations
master. Sounds like a stitch in nine saves time concept to
me. I do not intend on taking every proactive measure
either, but when it comes to the small and quickly
implemented measures that could save plenty of time, I try to
utilize all of them available.
Is that agreeable?
Nathaniel Vincent Bahta
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:24 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
Any proper maintenance plan has a backout plan and a recovery
plan, so I am preparing for the possibility of an unexpected
problem. If I'm pulled into a dark room because something
goes wrong then I should feel confident I'll leave that room
with my hide mostly intact; it may be slightly singed, but I
can live with that. If management isn't the reasonable type
then that's a different issue.
If your philosophy is to take every proactive measure ahead
of time possible, then that's fine. I just don't see the
point with regards to FSMO roles when the recovery action is
a relatively trivial process. This is obviously a matter of
personal preference so I'm not trying to convince others to
change. I just found the concept unusual so I thought I'd share.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
I would rather, as stated earlier, assess the risk and then act
appropriately. The original poster never defined 'maintenance' in
detail.
The original post did state that the box would be down for ~2 hours
for maintenance. This is clearly more than a patch and a
reboot. We've
been over that scenario and concluded that it carries a lesser risk.
As joe said, if the maintenance all goes badly wrong, do
you want to
be pulled into a dark room and questioned as to why you did not
prepare for that eventuality?
neil
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: 30 November 2005 15:29
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
Okay define maintenance please?
Patching?
Service Pack?
Applying QFEs?
Performance tuning?
What?
Is there a level of maintenance that would cause you to move FSMO's
and not?
Like for example, if I'm patching, I've tested the patch, I'm
reasonably expecting a favorable outcome otherwise I wouldn't be
deploying, I have a backup.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we've missed the essence of the original post :)
The DCs are
not just being rebooted, they are being 'maintained' and
will be down
for ~ 2 hours. That means to me, that either a s/w or h/w
change is
going to occur which could go horribly wrong. Faced with this
situation, I would definitely transfer the roles.
If the DC were merely being rebooted and nothing else is
scheduled to
occur, I would not transfer roles.
The above 2 scenarios are very different - if one were to
perform a
risk analysis the actions taken to mitigate those risks would be
suitably different.
neil
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*David Adner
*Sent:* 29 November 2005 23:26
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
I would only agree if you told me your DC's regularly
fail to come
back after a reboot. And if you did tell me that I'd have to say
you're doing something wrong.
I suppose I don't consider rebooting a DC to be quite the
dangerous
act as others do. To what degree is this taken? If it holds
a standard
Primary zone do you transfer that role, too? If it's the
PDCE of the
forest root domain and you transfer the role, do you also
reconfigure
the new PDCE to manually synchronize time from an authoritative
source? I mean, if we're going to work under the
assumption that a
reboot is a regularly catastrophic causing event then
it's probably
time to switch OS's.
Is it possible something unexpectedly horrible can happen
as part of a
reboot? Sure. But it better be the exception. And with
regards to FSMO
roles, which, barring some specific technical requirement they be
readily available, the temporary outage of them is typically a
transparent event and shouldn't require added
administrative overhead
in transferring them back and forth. Accepting that a
catastrophic
event is an exception, then you follow your documented and tested
activities to recover from that exception; ie: you seize
the roles,
restore from backup, etc.
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Behalf Of *Rich
Milburn
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:26 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
Yeah but having "seize the FSMOs instead of moving
them" as your
fallback plan is like making sure you have a current backup in
case "yanking the power cord instead of Start > Shutdown >
Restart" causes file system corruption J
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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:56 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer
If something went wrong you could still seize the FSMO
roles as an
option rather than doing a transfer. Of course the
procedures for
all of these for the 5 FSMOs should be documented just in case
needed..
Chuck
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