You're referring to seizing roles? Perhaps it's not in the GUI because it's not a task that needs to be performed on a regular basis. In fact, it should be a very rare situation and isn't something that you want to accidentally stumble upon. I'm not a developer, but I would suspect the frequency of a task is one of the primary factors in determining if it's included in the base GUI. If you're talking about transferring roles, then that's already in the GUI.
I'm not sure what you mean by "if the benefit is so great" with regards to if it's better to transfer or seize FSMO roles... As to who needs scripting vs GUI/wizard... That debate would most likely dwarf this one. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:09 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > > <stupid question alert> > > If the task is that trivial > If the benefit is so great > Why isn't it part of the AD snap ins as a one button task? > > <sincerely, who needs scripting when you can ask for a > gui/wizard or button instead> > > David Adner wrote: > > I'm not debating the effort it takes to make the change. > I'm saying I > > don't see the point in devoting whatever amount of effort > it takes for > > something that's going to provide benefit only, IMO, an > extremely rare > > case. And if that case happened, the corrective action is also a > > trivial process. And again, I'm not saying I don't see > your point; I just don't agree with it. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta > >> Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:32 PM > >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >> > >> That process is trivial in itself. It does not take much > to transfer > >> the roles before you conduct maintenance on a server. Why > not do it? > >> It will save you cleaning up metadata after you seize a role of a > >> failed operations master. Sounds like a stitch in nine saves time > >> concept to me. I do not intend on taking every proactive measure > >> either, but when it comes to the small and quickly implemented > >> measures that could save plenty of time, I try to utilize > all of them > >> available. > >> > >> Is that agreeable? > >> > >> Nathaniel Vincent Bahta > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > David Adner > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:24 PM > >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >> > >> Any proper maintenance plan has a backout plan and a > recovery plan, > >> so I am preparing for the possibility of an unexpected > problem. If > >> I'm pulled into a dark room because something goes wrong then I > >> should feel confident I'll leave that room with my hide mostly > >> intact; it may be slightly singed, but I can live with that. If > >> management isn't the reasonable type then that's a different issue. > >> > >> If your philosophy is to take every proactive measure > ahead of time > >> possible, then that's fine. I just don't see the point > with regards > >> to FSMO roles when the recovery action is a relatively trivial > >> process. This is obviously a matter of personal preference so I'm > >> not trying to convince others to change. I just found the concept > >> unusual so I thought I'd share. > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:16 AM > >>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >>> > >>> I would rather, as stated earlier, assess the risk and then act > >>> appropriately. The original poster never defined 'maintenance' in > >>> detail. > >>> > >>> The original post did state that the box would be down > for ~2 hours > >>> for maintenance. This is clearly more than a patch and a > >>> > >> reboot. We've > >> > >>> been over that scenario and concluded that it carries a > lesser risk. > >>> > >>> As joe said, if the maintenance all goes badly wrong, do > >>> > >> you want to > >> > >>> be pulled into a dark room and questioned as to why you did not > >>> prepare for that eventuality? > >>> > >>> > >>> neil > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan > >>> Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > >>> Sent: 30 November 2005 15:29 > >>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >>> > >>> Okay define maintenance please? > >>> > >>> Patching? > >>> Service Pack? > >>> Applying QFEs? > >>> Performance tuning? > >>> What? > >>> > >>> Is there a level of maintenance that would cause you to > move FSMO's > >>> and not? > >>> > >>> Like for example, if I'm patching, I've tested the patch, I'm > >>> reasonably expecting a favorable outcome otherwise I wouldn't be > >>> deploying, I have a backup. > >>> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I think we've missed the essence of the original post :) > >>>> > >>> The DCs are > >>> > >>>> not just being rebooted, they are being 'maintained' and > >>>> > >>> will be down > >>> > >>>> for ~ 2 hours. That means to me, that either a s/w or h/w > >>>> > >> change is > >> > >>>> going to occur which could go horribly wrong. Faced with this > >>>> situation, I would definitely transfer the roles. > >>>> If the DC were merely being rebooted and nothing else is > >>>> > >>> scheduled to > >>> > >>>> occur, I would not transfer roles. > >>>> The above 2 scenarios are very different - if one were to > >>>> > >> perform a > >> > >>>> risk analysis the actions taken to mitigate those risks would be > >>>> suitably different. > >>>> neil > >>>> > >>>> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of > >>>> > >>> *David Adner > >>> > >>>> *Sent:* 29 November 2005 23:26 > >>>> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >>>> > >>>> I would only agree if you told me your DC's regularly > >>>> > >> fail to come > >> > >>>> back after a reboot. And if you did tell me that I'd have to say > >>>> you're doing something wrong. > >>>> I suppose I don't consider rebooting a DC to be quite the > >>>> > >> dangerous > >> > >>>> act as others do. To what degree is this taken? If it holds > >>>> > >>> a standard > >>> > >>> > >>>> Primary zone do you transfer that role, too? If it's the > >>>> > >>> PDCE of the > >>> > >>>> forest root domain and you transfer the role, do you also > >>>> > >>> reconfigure > >>> > >>>> the new PDCE to manually synchronize time from an authoritative > >>>> source? I mean, if we're going to work under the > >>>> > >> assumption that a > >> > >>>> reboot is a regularly catastrophic causing event then > >>>> > >> it's probably > >> > >>>> time to switch OS's. > >>>> Is it possible something unexpectedly horrible can happen > >>>> > >>> as part of a > >>> > >>> > >>>> reboot? Sure. But it better be the exception. And with > >>>> > >>> regards to FSMO > >>> > >>> > >>>> roles, which, barring some specific technical > requirement they be > >>>> readily available, the temporary outage of them is typically a > >>>> transparent event and shouldn't require added > >>>> > >>> administrative overhead > >>> > >>>> in transferring them back and forth. Accepting that a > >>>> > >> catastrophic > >> > >>>> event is an exception, then you follow your documented > and tested > >>>> activities to recover from that exception; ie: you seize > >>>> > >> the roles, > >> > >>>> restore from backup, etc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------- > >>> > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > >>>> > >> Behalf Of *Rich > >> > >>>> Milburn > >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:26 PM > >>>> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >>>> > >>>> Yeah but having "seize the FSMOs instead of moving > >>>> > >> them" as your > >> > >>>> fallback plan is like making sure you have a current > backup in > >>>> case "yanking the power cord instead of Start > Shutdown > > >>>> Restart" causes file system corruption J > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> //------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> ---------- > >>> -/// > >>> > >>>> ///Rich Milburn/// > >>>> ///MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services/// > >>>> Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development > >>>> Applebee's International, Inc.// > >>>> //4551 W. 107th St// > >>>> //Overland Park//, KS 66207// > >>>> //913-967-2819// > >>>> > >>>> > >>> //------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> ---------- > >>> // > >>> > >>>> ///"I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - > >>>> > >>> anonymous// > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:56 AM > >>>> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] FSMO role transfer > >>>> > >>>> If something went wrong you could still seize the FSMO > >>>> > >>> roles as an > >>> > >>>> option rather than doing a transfer. 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