I view number 1 security issues more at the GPO level than the resource
level. Password and lockout policies on accounts.

For example in my environment (public school) I could make a case that
Teachers need a strong password policy and a quick lockout while the
students do not (and should not because they typo passwords so often).
We don't do that and only have a single domain but it is a valid
example.

I could only get the above with teachers in one domain and students in
another. But that is a case for two domains, not the empty root domain
that it seems the OP is being pushed towards.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wade
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Root Place Holder justification
> 
> 
> 
> Number "1" of these really drive me nuts and at this point I 
> usually start shouting. As domains do NOT limit resource 
> access, i.e. users in Domain "A" can access resources in 
> domain "B" (In fact that's the usual reason for have trusts 
> between domains) and together way round, how can you justify 
> different Security Requirments. They are in effect both 
> securing the same objects.
> 
> Number "2" tends to become irrelevant if you have Exchange 
> because that stuffs everything back into the GC that the AD 
> designers took out, and you really needs GCs everywhere.
> 
> Number "3" => Is a good reason to start rationalizing.
> 
> Having said that when I worked for Compaq I produced a number 
> of designs with an Empty Root and as others have said, these 
> were always passed by both Microsoft and Anderson Consulting 
> as they were then. Personally I would like to see the 
> business benefit that all those extra DC's deliver. (That is 
> business benefit to the customer not to the server supplier 
> and Microsoft).
> 
> Dave.
> 
> P.S. Please not the above are my personal views and not those 
> of Stockport Council..
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
> Sent: 26 April 2006 14:56
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Root Place Holder justification
> 
> 
> Your subject is your answer. They need to justify a root 
> domain. Is there an actual reason for it?
> 
> There are only three reasons to have one, imho....(cut and 
> pasted from a google search)
> 
> 1. Security requirements are different (password, lockout, 
> and Kerberos policies must be applied at the domain level).
> 2. To control/limit replication (but note the recommendations 
> for number of objects in a domain with slow links - if the 
> slowest link is 56 kbps, the domain should have no more than 
> 100,000 users).
> 3. Because you inherit a multiple domain setup. 
> 
> I question number three myself. I would rather clean it up 
> than continue with a past decision but I guess that depends 
> upon the impact to operations and the complexity of consolidation.
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:37 AM
> > To: ActiveDir.org
> > Subject: [ActiveDir] Root Place Holder justification
> > 
> > Does anyone have any official documentation as to the justification 
> > for a root place holder, pro's and con's ?
> > 
> > Where I am - I have started at one domain and can see no reason to 
> > expand on that - they only have 6 DC's now in a single domain - yet 
> > the partner they have chosen is recomending a root place 
> holder with 5
> 
> > DC's and then 8 in the child domain (they are NOT even supplying the
> > tin) and I wanted some decent amo - a little bit stronger 
> than schema 
> > and Ent admin separation.
> > 
> > I know at DEC the concensus was the desire to eliminate and 
> I believe 
> > Guido and Wook have stated this for the past two DEC's
> > 
> > I have searched this list and can find no relevant articles.
> > 
> > Many thanks
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Mark
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