Hi. I think, it is time to withdraw this proposal due to we haven't reached the consensus.
2016-06-23 8:43 GMT+03:00 Riccardo Gori <[email protected]>: > Hi Tore, Hi Elvis, > I opened the ticket and I can confirm Tore clarification on that. > > Il 17/06/2016 08:09, Riccardo Gori ha scritto: > > Hi, > > Il 17/06/2016 07:41, Tore Anderson ha scritto: > > * Elvis Daniel Velea <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Additionally, it would still apply retroactively and people which since > 2012 until 'yesterday' were allocated PA/transferable IPs (2 years after > the moment of the allocation) will end up with an allocation that is no > longer transferable. > > Elvis, while there are valid arguments against this proposal, this is > not one of them. > > If it was, then we could essentially just disband the AP-GW as pretty > much every single policy proposal ever made would "apply > retroactively". Including the ones that made various forms of transfers > possible in the first place; suddenly, many old non-transferable blocks > were "retroactively" changed to become transferable. > > Note that the RIPE NCC SSA says: > > > Article 6 – Compliance > > 6.1 The Member acknowledges applicability of, and adheres to, the RIPE > Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents. The RIPE Policies and the > RIPE NCC procedural documents are publicly available from the RIPE NCC > Document Store. These documents, which may be revised and updated from > time to time, form an integral part of and apply fully to the RIPE NCC > Standard Service Agreement. > > A member who believes that transferability is an immutable and > everlasting property of address space has not read what they've signed. > > If this proposal truly "applied retroactively" with regards to > transfers, it would have had to annul all the transfers *made prior to > its adoption* and stated the previously transferred address space was > to be forcibly returned to its original holder or the NCC. > > Alrticle 6: > This is the part of the agreement I like most 'cause confirms that > community policies can change everything even on already allocated space. > Only as fantasy examples: forbid transfer, return space or annual fees per > held IP . > I think the community alway choosed to go the esiest and fairier path. > Elvis policy extended the current 24 months restriction to all PA space > held by members and fixed the loophole of newly allocated that avoided the > restriction. > I consider it fair. > > I do not like policy proposals that apply retroactively > > Uhm, so what about your 2015-01 proposal then? That one "applied > retroactively" no less than this one. > > I don't think 2015-01 apply retroactively. > I think allocation made before implementation of 2015-01 are free from > limitations. > I'll open a ticket about it and check and let you know. > > Confirmed Tore point. > > Anyway. I withdraw my earlier objection to 2016-03. I'm not at all > convinced it's a good idea or worth the trouble, but if the community > really wants to go down this road I won't try to block the path. > Consider me neutral/abstaining. > > Tore > > > regards > Riccardo > -- > > Ing. Riccardo Gori > e-mail: [email protected] > Mobile: +39 339 8925947 > Mobile: +34 602 009 437 > Profile: https://it.linkedin.com/in/riccardo-gori-74201943 > > WIREM Fiber Revolution > Net-IT s.r.l. > Via Cesare Montanari, 2 > 47521 Cesena (FC) > Tel +39 0547 1955485 > Fax +39 0547 1950285 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons > above and may contain confidential information. If you have received > the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof > is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete > the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by re- > plying to [email protected] > Thank you > WIREM - Net-IT s.r.l.Via Cesare Montanari, 2 - 47521 Cesena (FC) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > regards > Riccardo > -- > > Ing. Riccardo Gori > e-mail: [email protected] > > WIREM Fiber Revolution > Net-IT s.r.l. > Via Cesare Montanari, 2 > 47521 Cesena (FC) > Tel +39 0547 1955485 > Fax +39 0547 1950285 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons > above and may contain confidential information. If you have received > the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof > is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete > the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by re- > plying to [email protected] > Thank you > WIREM - Net-IT s.r.l.Via Cesare Montanari, 2 - 47521 Cesena (FC) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- ---------- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov Tel.: +7 (926)690-87-29
