> This should keep your analysts busy for a while :) A slightly more respectful tone for the hard work performed by the RIPE NCC analysts to answer not-so-easy questions would be appreciated, Denis.
Regards, James co-chair apwg On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 7:30 PM denis walker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marco > > I have a few more questions for you so have a clearer picture of what > is going on here. > > -How many of these 98 members have operated the first LIR account for > a number of years and held a significant amount of IPv4 address space > with that account? > (What I am trying to understand is if any of these members were not > operating at all as an LIR before setting up this series of LIR > accounts simply to obtain address space they have no intention of > using but is only to sell.) > > -Are any of these 98 organisations transfer brokers? > (I am sure it does not break any confidentiality rules to identify the > type of business a group of unnamed members operate.) > > -Are any of these 98 organisations based in the USA? > > -Over what time period were their other 9 or more accounts created? > > -How many of these 1254 /24s have been assigned or are detectably in use? > > -What is the most LIRs any one member holds and how many /24s has that > member obtained? > > -How many members have 5-9 LIRs? > > -How many /24s have been allocated under the waiting list policy and > transferred within 6 months of the end of the 2 year holding period? > > This should keep your analysts busy for a while :) > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-WG > > > btw your document > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works > references an outdated version of the IPv4 policy > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 17:13, Marco Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear Arash, > > > > Thank you for your question. > > > > At the moment, we see 98 members with 10 or more LIR accounts. These > members have received a total of 1254 /24s under the current IPv4 waiting > list policy. > > > > I would like to note that these numbers are constantly changing. On the > one hand, some members continue to open additional LIR accounts, while > other members consolidate or close many LIR accounts as soon as the > 24-month holding period expires. This also explains the slight difference > from the previously published numbers. Several members that held 10 or more > accounts when they received /24s have since reduced their number of LIRs. > > > > I hope this answers your question. > > > > Kind regards, > > Marco Schmidt > > Assistant Manager Registry Services > > RIPE NCC > > > > On 08/12/2021 12:39, Arash Naderpour wrote: > > > > Hi Marco, > > > > Could you please let me know how many organizations have 10 or more LIR > accounts? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Arash Naderpour > > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 8:22 PM Marco Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Dear colleagues, > >> > >> In the Address Policy Working Group sessions at RIPE 83, I shared our > >> observations regarding the IPv4 waiting list policy. [1] > >> > >> The intent of this policy was to provide newcomers with a minimal amount > >> of IPv4 space for as long as possible. However, about half of these > >> allocations went to members that received several /24 allocations via > >> multiple LIR accounts. > >> > >> As there was interest in reviewing the policy at the RIPE Meeting, I > >> would like to provide more detail on the provision of IPv4 allocations > >> over the last two years and the current situation with the waiting list. > >> > >> In the last 24 months, we provided 4,178 LIRs with a /24 allocation: > >> - 2,019 allocations (48%) went to members with a single LIR account > >> - 452 allocations (11%) went to members with 2-4 LIR accounts > >> - 298 allocations (7%) went to members with 5-9 LIR accounts and > >> - 1,409 allocations (34%) went to members with 10 or more LIR > >> accounts (up to 33 /24 allocations to a single member) > >> > >> This trend towards allocations to multiple LIR accounts has accelerated > >> in the past six months. Between June and November 2021, only 24% of > >> allocations went to members with a single LIR account, while 54% went to > >> members with 10 or more accounts. > >> > >> We see the same trend with the current waiting list. At the time of > >> writing, we can see 327 requests for a /24 allocation: > >> - 83 (25%) are from members with a single LIR account > >> - 42 (13%) are from members with 2-4 LIRs accounts > >> - 45 (14%) are from members with 5-9 LIR accounts > >> - 157 (48%) are from members with 10 or more LIR accounts > >> > >> Consequently, there is a significantly longer wait time for members with > >> a single LIR account. > >> > >> Looking at the current market prices for IPv4 in comparison to our > >> membership fees, even a wait time of several months is acceptable for > >> organisations that plan to transfer their allocation after the end of > >> the holding period. Conversely, the long wait time will create > >> uncertainty for real newcomers, especially if they can’t rely on > >> IPv6-only networks. > >> > >> I hope the WG finds this information useful for further discussion. If > >> there is consensus to change the current situation, there are several > >> approaches available – including a review of the waiting list policy and > >> changing ‘per LIR’ to something else. Other approaches, such as a > >> different charging scheme or changing the concept of multiple LIRs would > >> need to be approved by the RIPE NCC membership. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Marco Schmidt > >> Assistant Manager Registry Services > >> RIPE NCC > >> > >> [1] https://ripe83.ripe.net/archives/video/642/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or > change your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or > change your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg >
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