I think a plan is a make believe script. It is not real until it's acted. Like the brokers say, "past performance is no guarantee of future results".
WC --- Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: ' You invent the script and then you act it > out.' > > But this is equating the idea of fiction with the > idea of a plan. So, what > is not fictional = what is not planned? > > The term fiction I agree is an elusive one, but I > took it that it was being > contrasted with the idea of the real or the true. > > DA > > > > .On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM, William Conger > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Even your conscious thought processes are > fictional, > > make-believe. You invent an ongoing script, as it > > were, of those chaotic moment to moment > experiences, > > sorting them and inventing your nxt moment raction > and > > action, providing yourself a basic coherence. You > > invent the script and then you act it out. You > can > > test this easily. Go to the corner and prepare to > > cross the street. After you make it to the other > side > > reflect on the thought processes you had, what you > > allowed in consciousness and what you excluded > > (similar acceptance and rejection may occur > > unconsciously too). You quickly realize that you > > invented a fairly succinct script, predicting what > > will happen as you make decisions, and ignoring a > > plethora of other events you might have focussed > on > > had you other interests in mind, such as noticing > what > > birds may be flying above. In this sense at least > our > > processing of experiences is not unlike the > > "composition" in artworks. So I don't think we > can > > isolate the coherence of composition as a > > distinguishing feature of art, unless we say daily > > life experience, the way we process it and create > > fictional scripts to play out, are art as well. > > > > WC > > > > > > --- Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Re "And that's probably why Derek challenged it > -- > > > since even if a > > > Raskolnikov never existed -- the story about him > > > might be considered > > > important because something about his psychology > is > > > felt to be very real." > > > > > > Yes exactly. > > > > > > It's arguable in fact that our everyday > experiences > > > are so chaotic - so > > > formless and lacking in consistency - that, > while > > > they may be real enough in > > > terms of their consequences (they affect what we > > > actually do), they never > > > possess the kind of clarity and apprehensibility > > > they achieve in a work of > > > art. So in a sense they only become real i.e. > > > distinct and fully described > > > - in a work of art. > > > > > > So, claiming that all art depends on fiction > (and it > > > is a common enough > > > claim eg one well known contemporary > aesthetician, > > > whose name I have > > > temporarily forgotten, argues that all art > depends > > > on 'make believe') seems > > > a fairly superficial observation to me. What in > the > > > end is 'real' in the > > > realm of human experience? What we encounter in > > > everyday life? Or the form > > > it takes in art? > > > > > > -- > > > Derek Allan > > > > > > http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Chris Miller > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Brady's notion of "fictional" would seem to be > > > awkwardly replaceable by a > > > > phrase like "not relevant to reality claims" > -- as > > > a sports broadcast > > > > would > > > > be("did he really catch the ball inbounds?" -- > > > "did the Niners really > > > > win?") > > > > > > > > And that's probably why Derek challenged it -- > > > since even if a Raskolnikov > > > > never existed -- the story about him might be > > > considered important because > > > > something about his psychology is felt to be > very > > > real. > > > > > > > > Which also might account for Derek's > additional > > > challenge: > > > > "I am trying to pretend this discussion of > sport > > > on a philosophy of art > > > > list > > > > is not happening." > > > > > > > > And I also feel that there's something > dreadful > > > about emphasizing the > > > > similarity between great moments in sports > with > > > the performances of > > > > Shakespeare. > > > > > > > > I suppose there's no doubting that Cheerskep > feels > > > like he has an AE with > > > > both > > > > of them -- but unless we can determine some > > > special quality about that > > > > Shakespeare AE -- well, what's the point of > > > telling kids to study great > > > > literature --- when any jackass can go to the > > > ballpark and have a great > > > > time? > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from > top > > > companies.
