Frances to Michael... 

The consensus here suggests that a discovered or presented object
given to sense must be first known as aesthetic and as artistic,
so that the status of artwork and artifact is conferred upon or
assigned to the object. This suggests that the status of art is
arbitrarily invented and then deliberately imposed on any object
that a person or group wishes. The typical class of art and its
members thus becomes nothing more than a subjective social
construct. This approach implies that humans have no inborn
tendency to get and take objects as artworks. This conclusion is
troublesome for me, because it may be wrong. 

Let us take for example a simple object made as a simple drawing
that is nonetheless aesthetic and artistic by our arbitrary
standard above. Two main issues seem to surface here in this
example if such a drawing is placed on display to view by persons
not aware of our standard, which consequences may impact
negatively on our standard. First, the viewer will see the
object, but whether they see it as a drawing is the actual issue
here; and if they do see the object as a drawing, will it be
instantly by way of some instinct and intuition or by way of some
prior sentience and experience. Second, the viewer will then see
the drawing, but whether they see it as the carrier of an image,
or of some other object and content or other subject and meaning,
is the further issue here. 

If normal mature humans have an innate natural tendency towards
receiving an object already posited for view as a drawing to
indeed be a drawing, then no nurtured or learned knowledge would
be required of them previously to get the fact. It would seem by
some anthropic accounts that when primitive peoples are exposed
to drawings for the first time that they have no problem
identifying the objects as drawings and in turn to be drawings of
some other referred object as its content. It is likely that the
human brain is wired to handle signs like icons as drawings at
will. 

It is likely that disposed instinct and inclined intuition are
"given" factors here, with any naive person sensing the object as
being in some way extraordinary and different from the ordinary
objects found in nature, but it is also likely that some paradigm
belief and collateral experience embedded in mind will also
likely be required of that person for them to sense the object
further as a drawing, and even more so to know that the drawing
is a picture that depicts some other object. It may be that the
embedded belief and experience may actually have as their mental
source an engrained feeling for icons, perhaps like a mimetic
gene in the brain. The sense of an object as a drawing and as a
drawing of an object is clearly an act that only humans are
capable of, and because they can do it instantly then it must be
by ways other than rational knowledge. 


Michael partly wrote... 
Cheerskep claims that nothing meaningful inheres in the words or

pictures, that meaning is entirely contributed by the mind.
William  
says that the randomness of the quantum field (as in, everything)
is  
given perceptual order by our mental processes. Bishop Berkley
asks  
whether a falling tree makes a sound if no one is their to hear
it?  
You assert that nature is also a "highly organized human created

structure." And, of course, we don't know about Shrodinger's cat
and  
we cannot specify both the location and speed of the subatomic  
particle, because our perception alters or determines things.
Derain said that before the painting is a nude or a warhorse, it
is a  
canvas covered with daubs of paint. It appears that paintings are

quantum fields, or living-dead cats, or soundless fellings until

someone looks at them. But more than that, they are paintings
when  
**I** look at them, because I still cannot be sure about what
happens  
when you look at them, either. 

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