Bill,
Obviously, you did not hear the sarcasm in my voice - I should have used a
smiley face as punctuation - creativity and perhaps freedom as well,  for
myself   has to do with one's ability to strategically and tactically maneuver
within the bounds of one's disciplines rather than be confined by them -
Mando's subjectivities seems not to allow him to acknowledge his limits , and
therefore his submission to the limitation of who he is - thus he lives by the
charm of his proclamations


On 11/14/09 7:20 PM, "William Conger" <[email protected]> wrote:

OK, I defer to Saul. Or if Michael pipes up, I defer to him as well. But I
still don't believe creativity -- as something to be recognized after the fact
--can be said to be a product of "individual freedom" because nobody knows
what individual freedom is and it clearly can't be freedom from influence,
tradition, the era, or freedom to act in completely novel ways.

wc


----- Original Message ----
From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 5:34:26 PM
Subject: Re: Question for Mando

But bill this is what makes us so different and appealing - and readily
ignored except as producers of meaningless things that appeal only to our own
subjectivities  - what scientist wouldn't want that type of freedom form
purpose


On 11/14/09 5:39 PM, "William Conger" <[email protected]> wrote:

Scientists rarely indulge in such pretensions, and neither do professionals
in
other fields.

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