If you're a wage earner, a working class stiff, your boss tells you to do such 
and such and that's it.  No negotiating, or not very much.

Some things are free or can be free without loss of value. Love, hate, beliefs, 
and all those meta-things that we like to say are what make living worth it. 
 Somewhere along the line, art got mixed into that meta world and that's where 
Berg goes wrong.  He equates the subjectivity of art as its meta value and as 
such it can't be merely a thing of monetary value. But it is.  No matter what 
the monetary value of something we can perceive it as art in that meta sense. 
 If you can be a weirdly associational as I am you'll see that this goes back 
to 
Aristotle's notion of fundamental Desire as part of consciousness.  It's a 
complicated idea associated with perception and common sense, fantasy or 
imagination, and memory, like the driving force and the creation of belief.  No 
matter how complicated it can't be conflated with the worldly material.  Belief 
and love and all the emotions contained in desire may encapsulate reality but 
are not a part of it. We pretend otherwise to "create" material values.

I never ever got enough money for any art I made.  As far as I'm concerned 
 whoever buys on of my paintings, or any sketch or scrap, gets the bargain of a 
lifetime.  I sell it all cheap because I need the money now.  They get 
something 
that's worth, what, a million, maybe more.  My late pal Ed P. sold his work for 
cash, whatever he could get, when he was trying to pay round-the-clock nursing 
care for his long sick wife.  Now Gagosian will maybe accept 130,000 for a P. 
painting, next year or the year after, 1 million will be likely.

I've said it before.  An artist who wants a decent middle class lifestyle, like 
his average lawyer friends, needs to gross about one million a year to end up 
with 200,000. Not many are doing that.

wc


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Brady <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 10:29:44 AM
Subject: Re: the boring false opposition between money and art

William wrote:

> Maybe artists should put one of those little
> lawyer's clocks by their studio doors and punch in and out, and punch again
when
> unsolicited visitors stop by with Berg-like questions and comments.


Everything involves economic considerations. Everything. Decisions about every
aspect of life are influenced by whether a thing can be done, how much it will
cost to do, how much it will cost not to do, what other things must be put
aside or altered in order to do the first thing. These are fundamentally
economic questions. So why does Berg imply that economic questions are
antithetical to art

Ultimately, it comes down to the agreed selling price between the artist and
buyer. Even if the artist sells through a broker (gallery) who takes a
commission, the artist agrees that the money he receives after the commission
is acceptable.

Whether it's calculated by a hourly rate, square inches, costliness of the
materials, etc., the final transaction is an agreement by each side: the
artist agrees that the price is an acceptable reimbursement and the buyer
agrees that the price is an acceptable expense.

All of the other stuff that William mentions, which are certainly germane and
important, concern the ways in which the status of the artist/worker is
established and supported. The buyer makes requirements on the artist, even
though the buyer doesn't do the work. And reciprocally, the artist can make
requirements on the buyer.


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