On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Well, I continued on,and I would like to say that that some marks are
fictive,that the information they imitate is invented and doesn't actually
exist. (This is apart from outright lies.)

What I was pondering when I was derailed was something like this: When we see
a scription (i.e. a printed or written "word") or hear a sound that we
recognize as a spoken "word",  we scour our memories for the notions we've
connected with that word in the past. E.g. simple words like 'milk', 'run',
and 'shoot', and more abstract or complicated words like 'art', 'sin', or
'moral' -- the list is almost endless, as is the variety of memory from one to
another of us.

But with a visual intake, the notions that arise are not just of memories.
There is often NEW stuff there -- as with a page of
Grey's Anatomy, or a map, or an instructional manual about how to work your
new BluRay dvd player. I'd be ready (momentarily) to term that stuff
"informational".

But then we realize that even a "word" can come with "information" (in this
topic's sense of "information"). For example if it's the first time we ever
heard a New Zealander speak it may come with an accent we've never heard
before. Because we know he's from New Zealand, we learn, "Ah! So that's what a
New Zealand accent sounds like." Moreover, the COMBINATION of words may be
unique. (Barthes said, "The Author is Dead", and part of his argument for that
was that all the words writers use today were used before. This seems to me a
benighted observation. Exactly what we prize Authors for is their contribution
of new COMBINATIONS of words.)

At that point, just as a growing mound of complications began to rise before
me, other urgencies intruded and I was bumped from the forum. Alas I still
haven't worked my way through all those urgencies yet.

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