If I am closer than 20 feet to the asphalt of a state highway or interstate, I 
have to be at 5 feet.  That takes a D9.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Yeah, I want a link to the 3 foot deep plow if that's what we're talking about.



On 8/30/2018 10:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  What kind of plow?  Vibratory?

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:30 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

  We also have to run 36" deep. We do have pretty favorable soil for plowing in 
most cases, only occasional rocks and the plow can usually pull them up. 
Usually sandy soil which plows great, sometimes clay which can be slow going 
but still plows OK. We never pre-rip.  

  We don't have goohers, do have ground hogs though. The one cut we've had so 
far was due to a ground hog trying to move in to a washed out area around a 
failed drain pipe that exposed our cable underground. 

  Most other existing utilities in our area are direct buried in rural areas. 
New fiber is put in conduit sometimes, depends on the utility. Many miles of 
telco and catv fiber direct buried though. 

  On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

    How deep?

    From: Chris Fabien 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:01 PM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

    Chuck, we direct bury in rural areas. My cost for plowing is more like <50 
cents per foot with our in house crew, figuring 2000ft per day.  

    On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 8:51 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

      Do you use direct burial?

      I do conduit.  
      30 cents per foot minimum.  Add at least $2/foot for plowing.  All in, 
maybe $3/foot and that is if I am doing my own plowing and splicing.  

      From: Chris Fabien 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:42 PM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

      We have done 3 cabinets with cheapo AE (planet switches) and two sites 
with cheapo GPON(ZTE). We will be continuing to deploy GPON going forward. 

      For us, the biggest advantage are ability to use small strand count cable 
which saves cost on material and also lets you serve a larger radius from a 
cabinet with the same size feeder cables (same # of strands in cabinet). And 
larger radius served means less power feeds to pay for and worry about backup 
power for. 

      We push the strand savings to the extreme using the optical tap split 
method, and often serve many miles of homes using 18 cents per foot 12F drop 
cable. 

      On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 3:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 
30 homes active E.  

        Each home needs a drop.  
        So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.  

        With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared 
bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...



        From: Colin Stanners 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

        That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 
30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and you 
have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 strands 
instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.


        On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

          So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use 
this vs active ethernet?

          From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

          It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
          It is brain dead simple to configure.

          Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) 
can run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are 
capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.



          Jim Bouse
          Owner - Brazos WiFi
          979-985-5912
          http://www.brazoswifi.com



          From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
          Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <Af@af.afmug.com>
          Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber



          Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment? 
 I have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought 
I'd check with the group.


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