I wish powerinjectors had software select. Packetflux FTW. If the big dogs ever found out about the little wisp gem called packetlux, we'd all be SOL. Old Forrest would be a bazillionaire and forget about us plebs
On Sep 17, 2018 10:12 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Packetflux power injectors. Feed them with a 24v and a 48v powers supply (or use one or the other, and a DC-DC converter), and you can power anything you want to. or there are lots of other ways to do it too... of course you have to change jumpers (or switch to a different port) to go between 24v and 48v, but being able to do that in software seems kind of undesirable to me anyway. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:56 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote: > Of all the devices on our network, we lose Ubiquiti Nanos (our relays for > large farm sites), and Netonix switches in our towers the most. The > Cambium equipment can double as a hammer when needed, you almost can’t get > em to break. The Mimosas do OK, but have their share of ethernet port > problems. As Steve mentioned, you expect the Ubiquitis to fail given > their price, but the Netonix devices are surprisingly fragile. If it > lightnings in the middle of South Dakota it seems like we are replacing > switches in our Minnesota tower cabinets. I have a box of 8 of them > sitting here that have all been replaced. In the same cabinets we have > never replaced one Cambium AP and only 4 Mimosa backhaul radios (we have > about 4 to 1 more Mimosas deployed than Netonix). I am sure there is > something that can be replaced on the Netonix, but we just don’t have the > time to become Netonix repair guys. > > > > We are seriously looking at the Mikrotik Cloud Router Switch as a > replacement for Netonix. The only issue is getting both 24V and 48V to > the device at the same time, but I think we can get that figured out. > Anyone have any practical experience with these they care to share? > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 9:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > Out of curiously, and this is a real question, how did netonix pick of the > market share they did while offering utter garbage? It's not even like > they're garbage ubnt cheap, that I understand, I poke the 3 am Ubnt fat > girl at the end of the bar regularly, cause she's cheap and fat so not > going to be a problem. But netonix is like 90 percent problem from what I > read. You never hear about a high maintenance fat chic because there's no > interest. How's this tubby broad even in the discussion? > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > PTC fuses are not fast enough to protect Netonix. It actually has them > inside. > > That is why I build the POE fuse product. It does blow fast enough to > protect the switch. > > > > *From:* Mark Radabaugh > > *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:12 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > Chuck, > > > > We have had really good luck with putting PTC fuses in front of the POE > power on the Mimosa radios in order to avoid blowing the fuses in the > rectifier shelf when the gas tubes in the Mimosa short the POE. I’m > thinking maybe you want to look at putting some of those on the SS for the > power coming from the Netonix? Let the gas tubes (or whatever surge > suppressor you are using) short all the lines together and let the PTC fuse > cut the power briefly? Might be a little tricky to get the values right > but might be able to save the POE from blowing. > > > > Or talk Netonix into including them internally so that they survive a POE > short circuit. > > > > For those of you scratching your head… we routinely power Mimosa B5’s > using Packetflux DC injectors from the -48V rectifier. The surge > suppression in the B5’s will short the power supply during a surge event > long enough to blow the 2 or 5A telecom fuse. All the equipment lives but > we have to go replace the fuse - which we don’t want to do since it causes > an outage until we get there. The PTC fuse inline avoids the fuse blowing. > > > > > > Mark > > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > > > Surges cause the surge components to do their job, which is to short > everything to ground. > > Netonix ports will blow if they are shorted. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 6:58 AM > > *To:* AFMUG > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > Should only be 24v. Even if it doubled, should be OK on the radio and > surge card. > > > > What's the Netonix problem? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 12:44 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > If the voltage was too high or had spikes it could certainly have done > that. > > Kinda the reverse of the Netonix problem. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 10:37 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > I replaced the POE, AP, and surge card on Tuesday. That's what fixed it > for sure. > > > > The AP is sitting here in the lab and doing gigabit for 3 days now, > happily. The POE and surge card are in the trash. > > > > I'm wondering if it's possible the POE fried all of those surge cards on > Saturday/Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. If that's possible? > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:21 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > You say you are inclined to think it is the POE. I presume that means the > POE power supply. So try a new one. I am probably not understanding the > situation. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:39 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > I have a thousand new POEs. What do you want me to try? > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:07 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Do you have a spare POE to try ? > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:10 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > Well there was no lightning or anything, beautiful weather. After several > cards I have to imagine it's the POE or the AP. We replaced those two at > the same time. > > > Does it make sense the POE was doing something weird to fry them or more > sense the AP was pulling too many amps? AP seems perfectly fine in the > office for 36 hours, so I'm inclined to believe it's the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > It resets immediately if it is going to reset. > > Sounds like it took a hit. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:45 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > How long does it need to be cold for it to be self reset? The one I took > down this morning looks perfectly clean and I can't get pins 7/8 through > it. At this point I'm thinking the (AC) POE is the cause of all our issues > (Cambium, so that pair is positive 24v and data). > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Sure, you can also wash them with 90% isopropyl alcohol. That will remove > any water. Need to make sure there is no corrosion. > > Wash out the jacks extra good too. > > > > If they have not had too large of a surge, they are totally self > resetting. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:25 AM > > *To:* AFMUG > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV > > > > There's a cause and I'm pretty confident it's not the cards themselves. > > > > This weekend an AP started having eth link issues. Look at it and the > card/rj45 is full of water. Replaced the line. Problem returns about 12 > hours later. > > > > I plug in my continuity tester and pin 7 blinks quickly and fades away. > Headed up the tower now for a new AP and already did a new Poe (no power > until AP replaced). > > > > Is it possible the Poe/AP are damaging the surge card? We've gone through > 5-6 cards since Saturday, and I thought it was all water related. It > stopped raining on Sunday after card 3 + new line. > > > > Any other ideas? Can I wait a minute and reuse the dry cards, are they > self resetting (I tried power cycling the POE for 5 seconds with no change) > after a length of time? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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