Nope, not at all.    Or maybe that’s because I do the same :-)

Mark

> On May 14, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and which 
> is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes? 
> 
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line. 
>  
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a 
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to 
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading. 
>  
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue. 
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read on 
> the subject.
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=longitude+sorbel&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>  
> <https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=longitude+sorbel&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA>
>  
> From: Adam Moffett <>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true up 
> with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still been 
> there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit the right 
> continent then it ain't really a problem.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <> wrote:
>> Probably...
>>  
>> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and headings.  
>> More just NNE type of accuracy. 
>> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more 
>> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like you. 
>>  
>> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off. 
>>  
>> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of 
>> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR stations 
>> and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they don’t adjust 
>> VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are installed. 
>>  
>> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a pretty 
>> good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of the 
>> three stars is due East/West. 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>  
>> You’re not making me less confused.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
>> bunch of crap?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <> On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 14 for me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
>> Bill lives. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>> 
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
>> about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t 
>> matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to 
>> the tower faces or the roads.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>> On Behalf Of Daniel White
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>> 
>> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
>> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
>> either are a good investment.
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> 
>> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>> 
>> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Choices seem to be
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>> 
>> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>> 
>> Sunsight
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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