That comes to ~~ 94 MPGe, which is not exactly chopped liver.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
I have 62 kWh in my leaf. I can reliably get 175 miles
with some reserve.
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Considering the size of it, and the fact that
it's mostly made out of relatively thick stainless steel,
I have a hard time believing they can get 250 miles out of
a 75kwh battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge
improvements in efficiency on the model S over it's
lifespan, but 111 MPGe would be the same as the current
Model S, and it seems unlikely they'll get that much
better over the next couple of years. I think a 100kwh
battery on the base model is a lot more likely.
MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the
cost of an electric vs gas vehicle... my model S is
rated at 89 MPGe, but if I figure out what the actual
cost per mile is compared to current gas prices here, it
works out to the equivalent of around 50 MPG. But not
too long ago, that would've been closer to 70 MPG (and
most likely will be again before too long), and the cost
of electricity is way more consistent than gas.
I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about
what size the batteries would be on this thing. Only
one publication speculated that the base model with
250 mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~
75KWh battery. Of course it is pure speculation, but
that would result in about 111 MPGe. Can't do that
with your diesel Silverado.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote:
I think I figured out the
design... Prototype name was the Cyberf117
On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I want one with a Boston Scientific dog
in the back.
Sent: Sunday, November 24,
2019 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Cybertruck
Tesla production models roaming the
streets is scary enough without the
nightmare of prototypes creeping through
the alleys
There may be prototypes roaming the
streets as we speak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
Review
says the exterior is all
“stabby” but the inside is
comfy.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/
Stabby
Steve would like it.
I
was surprise they were taking
it on test drives, I had
assumed it was a non
functional prototype just for
show.
Oh,
he didn't opt for the
cupholder delete option,
which comes with a
$4K/cupholder CREDIT...
On 11/22/19
4:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I was just going by what
Robert said as $8K, and I
figured there were two of
them.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
11/22/2019 4:51 PM, Tim
Hardy wrote:
Umm, Bill
- fake news. Came in my 2016
Cayman GTS for nada…
Yeah.
Only $4K each.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
11/22/2019 3:51
PM, Mathew
Howard wrote:
woah!
you can get
cupholders in
a Porsche
these days?!
Having
gone through
Porsche
ordering hell,
8K gets you
cupholders
finally,
Sound system?
More like
15...
On 11/22/2019
01:04 PM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
> Toyota is
super nice
when it comes
to base
models. I got
a 4 cylinder
> Tacoma
(should have
gotten the v6,
it's way too
underpowered)
base model
> and it
has
touchscreen
with
bluetooth.
Power
windows/locks/etc.
>
> Porsche
on the other
hand requires
you have
something like
$8k in
> options
for that
feature.
Another $2k if
you want the
bluetooth to
do
> audio as
well.
>
> Josh
Luthman
> Office:
937-552-2340
> Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100
Wayne St
> Suite
1337
> Troy, OH
45373
>
>
> On Fri,
Nov 22, 2019
at 3:56 PM
Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
>
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net >>
wrote:
>
> It
was mostly a
dig at the
lowest priced
option a
manufacturer
makes
>
probably is
missing a
variety of
features one
is used to.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike
Hammett
>
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Computing
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>
*From: *"Josh
Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>
> *To:
*"AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group"
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>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>
>
*Sent:
*Friday,
November 22,
2019 2:53:33
PM
>
*Subject: *Re:
[AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
> Yes
Mike, it's a
Toyota. Not
Pontiac.
>
> Josh
Luthman
>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100
Wayne St
> Suite
1337
> Troy,
OH 45373
>
>
> On
Fri, Nov 22,
2019 at 3:51
PM Mike
Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net >>
wrote:
>
>
Does a $30k
truck come
with AC? Power
windows?
Radio?
>
>
>
>
-----
>
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>
Intelligent
Computing
Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/ >
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*From: *"Matt
Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>
>
*To: *"Mathew
Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
>
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com >>,
"AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users
>
Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>
>
*Sent:
*Friday,
November 22,
2019 2:49:15
PM
>
*Subject: *Re:
[AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
>
OK... and?
Still a far
cry from $40
or $50.
>
>
On 11/22/19
3:42 PM,
Mathew Howard
wrote:
>
> That's
$32,780...
>
>
>
> On Fri,
Nov 22, 2019,
2:35 PM Matt
Hoppes
>
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
>
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
That’s the
current model.
>
>
>
>
Here’s the
bill of sale:
>
>
>
>
image1.jpeg
>
>
>
> On
Nov 22, 2019,
at 1:55 PM,
Josh Luthman
>
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>
>
>
wrote:
>
>
>
>>
That's $36k,
20% more...
>
>>
>
>>
Josh Luthman
>
>>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
>>
Direct:
937-552-2343
>
>>
1100 Wayne St
>
>>
Suite 1337
>
>>
Troy, OH 45373
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
On Fri, Nov
22, 2019 at
1:08 PM Matt
Hoppes
>
>>
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
>
>>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the
>
office.
>
>>
>
>> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No
issue.
>
>>
>
>> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k.
>
>>
>
>> <image1.png>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman
>
>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a
>
year?
>
>>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they
sell
>
>>> remarkably bad.
>
>>>
>
>>> Josh Luthman
>
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>
>>> Suite 1337
>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert
>
>>> <i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >>>
wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Last year lot sitter, sure....
>
>>>
>
>>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled,
>
Tundra for
>
>>>> $30k, Especially with options. There's no
>
way they're
>
>>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone
else
>
with a
>
>>>> single quantity purchase. I'll believe 30k
>
when I see
>
>>>> the bill of sale.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>
>>>> Suite 1337
>
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt
Hoppes
>
>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
>
>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I absolutely know what trucks cost and
>
$50-$60k is
>
>>>> way too much. We
>
>>>> purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two
>
years ago
>
>>>> for $30k... outfitted
>
>>>> well.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett
wrote:
>
>>>> > To be consistent with my feelings
on
>
their semi
>
>>>> truck, as long as the
>
>>>> > performance, specifications,
>
reliability,
utility
>
>>>> are as promised, I
>
>>>> > care much less about how it
appears.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > That $40k price point is nice,
though
>
I'd want at
>
>>>> least the $50k to have
>
>>>> > AWD.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I've seen people say stuff like,
"OMG,
>
that too
>
>>>> much money for a truck."
>
>>>> > Clearly they have no idea what
trucks
>
cost. I
>
>>>> haven't seen what the
>
>>>> > electric ATV costs.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I also wonder what else changes
between
>
the tiers.
>
>>>> Adding more motors
>
>>>> > shouldn't add to the range of the
>
vehicle, so
>
>>>> what's happening with the
>
>>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding more
batteries
>
>>>> shouldn't make it faster, so
>
>>>> > what's up with the extra motors?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I'm more willing to admit I don't
need
>
to pull a
>
>>>> house with my daily
>
>>>> > driver because I can always get
>
something from
the
>
>>>> farm. I just want it
>
>>>> > to be big enough to handle most
things.
>
Hell, even
>
>>>> the 14k towing would
>
>>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and
trailer.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I wonder how trailers work with
the
>
EVs... how
>
>>>> easy is it to add (or
>
>>>> > get the option for) gooseneck,
fifth
>
wheel, etc.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I do like the hard, lockable
tonneau
>
cover. Maybe
>
>>>> Rivian had it
>
>>>> > available and I just forgot. Nice
place
>
to store a
>
>>>> bunch of tools for a
>
>>>> > work truck, though no place to add
a
>
ladder rack.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have
battery
>
specs, but
>
>>>> I suppose that could
>
>>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't
know if
>
they need
>
>>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet
>
>>>> > their advertised performance
numbers.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > Weight would be nice to know as
well.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I'm not surprised on the design.
All
>
else equal,
>
>>>> I'd probably prefer the
>
>>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things
>
actually bare
>
>>>> out. What's the "mpg"
>
>>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd
be MPkWh?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > -----
>
>>>> > Mike Hammett
>
>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
>>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/ >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
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>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
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>>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>
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>
>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019
9:25:31 AM
>
>>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I was expecting to see some
comments
>
from this
>
>>>> crowd. Was everyone
>
>>>> > suitably underwhelmed? Or running
out
>
to place
>
>>>> your pre-orders?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I think I saw one comment that it
looked
>
like a
>
>>>> cross between an El
>
>>>> > Camino and a Pontiac Aztec. It
>
certainly was
not
>
>>>> what I expected when I
>
>>>> > heard Tesla was going to bring out
an
>
electric
>
>>>> truck. It sounds like
>
>>>> > the 3 motor version will indeed be
fast,
>
but how
>
>>>> big a market is there
>
>>>> > for a fast, expensive, ugly
truck?
>
Maybe more
>
>>>> than I realize.
>
>>>> >
>
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