I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably not realistic, but
at least it's something to hang your hat on for now. The latest
firmware for the model 3 comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is
apparently figuring out how to squeeze more efficiency out of
their vehicles.
I think one of the reasons for the radical shape of the
cybertruck is an effort to get some aerodynamics out of a platform
that (with conventional trucks) is very unfriendly toward
aerodynamics. Another reason might be because the material
(stainless steel) is pretty difficult to hydro-form.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
Considering the size of it, and the fact that it's
mostly made out of relatively thick stainless steel, I have a
hard time believing they can get 250 miles out of a 75kwh
battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge improvements in
efficiency on the model S over it's lifespan, but 111 MPGe would
be the same as the current Model S, and it seems unlikely
they'll get that much better over the next couple of years. I
think a 100kwh battery on the base model is a lot more likely.
MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the cost of
an electric vs gas vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe,
but if I figure out what the actual cost per mile is compared
to current gas prices here, it works out to the equivalent of
around 50 MPG. But not too long ago, that would've been closer
to 70 MPG (and most likely will be again before too long), and
the cost of electricity is way more consistent than gas.
I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about what
size the batteries would be on this thing. Only one
publication speculated that the base model with 250 mile
range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~ 75KWh battery. Of
course it is pure speculation, but that would result in
about 111 MPGe. Can't do that with your diesel Silverado.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote:
I think I figured out the
design... Prototype name was the Cyberf117
On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I want one with a Boston Scientific dog in the
back.
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019
4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Tesla production models roaming the streets
is scary enough without the nightmare of
prototypes creeping through the alleys
There may be prototypes roaming the
streets as we speak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
Review says
the exterior is all “stabby” but the
inside is comfy.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/
Stabby
Steve would like it.
I was
surprise they were taking it on test
drives, I had assumed it was a non
functional prototype just for show.
Oh, he
didn't opt for the cupholder
delete option, which comes with a
$4K/cupholder CREDIT...
On 11/22/19 4:53
PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I was just going by what Robert
said as $8K, and I figured there
were two of them.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/22/2019
4:51 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
Umm, Bill -
fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman
GTS for nada…
Yeah.
Only $4K each.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
11/22/2019 3:51 PM,
Mathew Howard wrote:
woah!
you can get
cupholders in a
Porsche these days?!
Having
gone through
Porsche ordering
hell, 8K gets you
cupholders
finally, Sound
system? More like
15...
On 11/22/2019
01:04 PM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
> Toyota is
super nice when it
comes to base
models. I got a 4
cylinder
> Tacoma
(should have
gotten the v6,
it's way too
underpowered) base
model
> and it has
touchscreen with
bluetooth. Power
windows/locks/etc.
>
> Porsche on
the other hand
requires you have
something like $8k
in
> options for
that feature.
Another $2k if you
want the bluetooth
to do
> audio as
well.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office:
937-552-2340
> Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH
45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov
22, 2019 at 3:56
PM Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net >> wrote:
>
> It was
mostly a dig at
the lowest priced
option a
manufacturer makes
> probably
is missing a
variety of
features one is
used to.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike
Hammett
>
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<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>
> *To:
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>
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> *Sent:
*Friday, November
22, 2019 2:53:33
PM
> *Subject:
*Re: [AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
> Yes Mike,
it's a Toyota.
Not Pontiac.
>
> Josh
Luthman
> Office:
937-552-2340
> Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100
Wayne St
> Suite
1337
> Troy, OH
45373
>
>
> On Fri,
Nov 22, 2019 at
3:51 PM Mike
Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net >> wrote:
>
> Does
a $30k truck come
with AC? Power
windows? Radio?
>
>
>
> -----
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Hammett
>
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>
*From: *"Matt
Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>
> *To:
*"Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com
>
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com >>, "AnimalFarm
Microwave Users
>
Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>
>
*Sent: *Friday,
November 22, 2019
2:49:15 PM
>
*Subject: *Re:
[AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
> OK...
and? Still a far
cry from $40 or
$50.
>
> On
11/22/19 3:42 PM,
Mathew Howard
wrote:
> >
That's $32,780...
> >
> >
On Fri, Nov 22,
2019, 2:35 PM Matt
Hoppes
> >
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
> >
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
> >
>
> That’s
the current model.
> >
>
> Here’s
the bill of sale:
> >
>
>
image1.jpeg
> >
>
> On Nov
22, 2019, at 1:55
PM, Josh Luthman
>
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>
>
> wrote:
> >
>
>>
That's $36k, 20%
more...
>
>>
>
>> Josh
Luthman
>
>>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
>>
Direct:
937-552-2343
>
>> 1100
Wayne St
>
>> Suite
1337
>
>> Troy,
OH 45373
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On
Fri, Nov 22, 2019
at 1:08 PM Matt
Hoppes
>
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
>
>>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
I’ll get you the
bill of sale when
I get back to the
>
office.
>
>>
>
>>
Brand new 2018
Tundra. 100 miles.
Never owned. No
issue.
>
>>
>
>>
Here’s a
comparably
equipped 2019 for
$34k.
>
>>
>
>>
<image1.png>
>
>>
>
>>
On Nov 22, 2019,
at 12:39 PM, Josh
Luthman
>
>>
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>
>>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>>>
You think a truck
would have sat on
the lot for a
> year?
>
>>>
Tundras don't sell
well, but I don't
think they sell
>
>>>
remarkably bad.
>
>>>
>
>>>
Josh Luthman
>
>>>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
>>>
Direct:
937-552-2343
>
>>>
1100 Wayne St
>
>>>
Suite 1337
>
>>>
Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
On Fri, Nov 22,
2019 at 12:38 PM
Robert
>
>>>
<i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>>
Last year lot
sitter, sure....
>
>>>
>
>>>
On 11/22/19 9:23
AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
>
>>>>
I seriously doubt
you got a new,
untitled,
>
Tundra for
>
>>>>
$30k, Especially
with options.
There's no
> way
they're
>
>>>>
doing a 10%+
discount for you
or anyone else
> with
a
>
>>>>
single quantity
purchase. I'll
believe 30k
> when
I see
>
>>>>
the bill of sale.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
Josh Luthman
>
>>>>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
>>>>
Direct:
937-552-2343
>
>>>>
1100 Wayne St
>
>>>>
Suite 1337
>
>>>>
Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
On Fri, Nov 22,
2019 at 10:57 AM
Matt Hoppes
>
>>>>
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >
>
>>>>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>
wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
I absolutely know
what trucks cost
and
>
$50-$60k is
>
>>>>
way too much. We
>
>>>>
purchased a brand
new Toyota Tundra
two
> years
ago
>
>>>>
for $30k...
outfitted
>
>>>>
well.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
On 11/22/19 10:33
AM, Mike Hammett
wrote:
>
>>>>
> To be
consistent with my
feelings on
> their
semi
>
>>>>
truck, as long as
the
>
>>>>
> performance,
specifications,
>
reliability,
utility
>
>>>>
are as promised, I
>
>>>>
> care much
less about how it
appears.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> That $40k
price point is
nice, though
> I'd
want at
>
>>>>
least the $50k to
have
>
>>>>
> AWD.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I've seen
people say stuff
like, "OMG,
> that
too
>
>>>>
much money for a
truck."
>
>>>>
> Clearly they
have no idea what
trucks
> cost.
I
>
>>>>
haven't seen what
the
>
>>>>
> electric ATV
costs.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I also wonder
what else changes
between
> the
tiers.
>
>>>>
Adding more motors
>
>>>>
> shouldn't add
to the range of
the
>
vehicle, so
>
>>>>
what's happening
with the
>
>>>>
> battery,
weight, etc.
Adding more
batteries
>
>>>>
shouldn't make it
faster, so
>
>>>>
> what's up
with the extra
motors?
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I'm more
willing to admit I
don't need
> to
pull a
>
>>>>
house with my
daily
>
>>>>
> driver
because I can
always get
>
something from the
>
>>>>
farm. I just want
it
>
>>>>
> to be big
enough to handle
most things.
> Hell,
even
>
>>>>
the 14k towing
would
>
>>>>
> be enough for
our Bobcat and
trailer.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I wonder how
trailers work with
the
>
EVs... how
>
>>>>
easy is it to add
(or
>
>>>>
> get the
option for)
gooseneck, fifth
>
wheel, etc.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I do like the
hard, lockable
tonneau
>
cover. Maybe
>
>>>>
Rivian had it
>
>>>>
> available and
I just forgot.
Nice place
> to
store a
>
>>>>
bunch of tools for
a
>
>>>>
> work truck,
though no place to
add a
>
ladder rack.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I was annoyed
they didn't have
battery
>
specs, but
>
>>>>
I suppose that
could
>
>>>>
> still be
fuzzy. Maybe they
don't know if
> they
need
>
>>>>
100 or 110 kw to
meet
>
>>>>
> their
advertised
performance
numbers.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> Weight would
be nice to know as
well.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I'm not
surprised on the
design. All
> else
equal,
>
>>>>
I'd probably
prefer the
>
>>>>
> Rivian, but
let's see how
things
>
actually bare
>
>>>>
out. What's the
"mpg"
>
>>>>
> compared to
Rivian? I guess
it'd be MPkWh?
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> -----
>
>>>>
> Mike Hammett
>
>>>>
> Intelligent
Computing
Solutions
>
>>>>
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>
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>
>>>>
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>
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>
>
>>>>
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>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
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>
>>>>
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22, 2019 9:25:31
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>>>>
> *Subject:
*[AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I was
expecting to see
some comments
> from
this
>
>>>>
crowd. Was
everyone
>
>>>>
> suitably
underwhelmed? Or
running out
> to
place
>
>>>>
your pre-orders?
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I think I saw
one comment that
it looked
> like
a
>
>>>>
cross between an
El
>
>>>>
> Camino and a
Pontiac Aztec. It
>
certainly was not
>
>>>>
what I expected
when I
>
>>>>
> heard Tesla
was going to bring
out an
>
electric
>
>>>>
truck. It sounds
like
>
>>>>
> the 3 motor
version will
indeed be fast,
> but
how
>
>>>>
big a market is
there
>
>>>>
> for a fast,
expensive, ugly
truck?
> Maybe
more
>
>>>>
than I realize.
>
>>>>
>
>
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