I hate all things FB unless I am working as a contractor building stuff for
them. Then I love FB.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
Facebook groups are not forums...
As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much more
(although in a different way)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
"Would a forum have done as well?"
If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The Facebook
groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference between AFMUG
and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG.
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change sake.
One needs to ask, what problem does this solve?
It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or progressive,
which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to fix what’s broke,
and keep what works.
So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies being thrown
out with the bathwater?
I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key seems to be
that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have moderators constantly monitoring
the forum posts and recruiting internal resources to respond. Unless you just
want it to serve a social function, rather than being transactional, like
announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated vendor forums tend to
become a space for bloviation and for noobs to foolishly ask for help not
realizing nobody will respond.
Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the GLONASS
rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well?
Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what WISPA is
contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow the existing
transactional email format to continue, while also providing a convenient
archive for the people who visit only occasionally or when they are researching
something, maybe with cool search features. But I still ask, what problem is
being solved?
There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much consists
of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like either somebody feels it’s
time for the forum likers to have a turn, or else the new WISPA software has a
forum feature that somebody wants to use. But decision making without goals is
basically “listening to your gut”. My gut wants a fish taco.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low
traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason.
At least we still have AFMUG, amirite?
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important,
moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for
WISPA.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list
traffic plummeted.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar.
I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not
limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support type
stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a repository
of knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive daily stuff. I
check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists multiple times a day. Cambium
went to forums which makes sense for a solutions provider so that they have the
searchable database, but I go there maybe monthly to check for new software or
known issues. But I’m not very active in their community, mostly because I
don’t have time to also go login and check a forum. Email is constantly
flowing my way and I interact with it all throughout the day.
One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out how many
messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s forums
only. My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know personally I won’t
be on there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but it’s simply I don’t
have the time to add yet another thing to go log into and check to my daily
life.
2 cents
-Sean
You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com> wrote:
Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan myself but demand
seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists. Will also make some of the
committee work that happens easier so I have been told.
Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was
the only reason I ever signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-)
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:
You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going away?
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now
I got an email. Like to delete my folder once it is defunct.
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