Part of the problem perhaps is that Facebook really sucks in a web browser. Which I think is intentional, they get lots more data about you if you install the app. FB is not alone, everyone wants to claim some real estate on your phone by installing their app.
Sorry, I’m reluctant to install apps from every Tom, Dick and Harry on my phone. Too much risk of security breaches, data mining and malware. Plus I want essential communications channels to be platform independent. Whether I’m using my phone, my office computer, my laptop, or some other computer at the site where I’m working. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 11:09 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use Facebook. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:26:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list There definitely is a different tone, it seems like FB attracts a different sort of people than a mailing list, in general (as do forums). A lot of the same people are on all three, but the most active ones tend to be different. But my other problem with Facebook groups is that they seem to be mostly worthless unless you sit there and stare at FB all day. Of course that may be just because I don't know how to use FB, but on the other hand, I don't want to... On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:27 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: There's a different tone on Facebook IMO. People are not as self policing. That's just an observation. I have no explanation for this behavior. On 1/7/2020 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Facebook groups are not forums... As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much more (although in a different way) On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: "Would a forum have done as well?" If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The Facebook groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference between AFMUG and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change sake. One needs to ask, what problem does this solve? It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or progressive, which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to fix what’s broke, and keep what works. So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies being thrown out with the bathwater? I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key seems to be that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have moderators constantly monitoring the forum posts and recruiting internal resources to respond. Unless you just want it to serve a social function, rather than being transactional, like announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated vendor forums tend to become a space for bloviation and for noobs to foolishly ask for help not realizing nobody will respond. Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the GLONASS rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well? Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what WISPA is contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow the existing transactional email format to continue, while also providing a convenient archive for the people who visit only occasionally or when they are researching something, maybe with cool search features. But I still ask, what problem is being solved? There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like either somebody feels it’s time for the forum likers to have a turn, or else the new WISPA software has a forum feature that somebody wants to use. But decision making without goals is basically “listening to your gut”. My gut wants a fish taco. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason. At least we still have AFMUG, amirite? On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for WISPA. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with <http://www.towercoverage.com> www.towercoverage.com From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list traffic plummeted. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com&umid=F35A4989-9B8C-FC05-8FFD-D714EE199469&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-ba2a74ae624d6c038621c1c64097aeab4a24f399> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support type stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a repository of knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive daily stuff. I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists multiple times a day. Cambium went to forums which makes sense for a solutions provider so that they have the searchable database, but I go there maybe monthly to check for new software or known issues. But I’m not very active in their community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go login and check a forum. Email is constantly flowing my way and I interact with it all throughout the day. One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out how many messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s forums only. My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know personally I won’t be on there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but it’s simply I don’t have the time to add yet another thing to go log into and check to my daily life. 2 cents -Sean You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote: Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan myself but demand seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists. Will also make some of the committee work that happens easier so I have been told. Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was the only reason I ever signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-) <https://atheral.co/wp-content/uploads/Atheral-Logo-Vertical-Grad-150px-x-86px.png> Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10: You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going away? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now I got an email. 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