By the time I did my first link, they had added the Quick Config wizard, which makes it pretty easy. Without that, it would be hell. I believe Erich did his first link back when men were men, before the setup wizard. I don’t think I could have configured a link manually like that, I’m sure they got pressured into the setup wizard by frustrated customers.
If you do buy a PTP820 and intend to use Inband Management (IBM), talk first to someone else who has done it. Or at least get it working on the ground first. If you misunderstand how they do IBM and how they use VLAN IDs, you can end up carrying a laptop up the tower unless you have a separate management cable. I made the mistake of leaving the VLAN ID at 1 which is the default, only to find that a Mikrotik RB1100ahx4 won’t let you use VLAN 1. You’d think no problema, just change it. Nope, can’t do that over IBM, need management port access. Not a big deal unless you only find out after the radio is up on the tower. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 11:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links Yes, once you get your first one configured its not bad, I had an issue as well with the first link. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 815-570-3101 On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:45 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: Support. One thing about the IP20/PTP820 is that it's not obvious how to configure it correctly. Plan to spend some time with the manuals or plan to call support. I put in a ticket to Cambium support and they set my link up for me and I didn't have to do anything and never had to touch it since. --and I ended up paying about the same price as I would have paid Ceragon. I don't know what Ceragon support is like in general, but when I called them about an IP10 some years ago and I didn't have a support contract they wouldn't even provide firmware. I'm sure they're awesome when you pay them. On 1/9/2020 8:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon? On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote: 56mhz throughput data capacities vs 80mhz throughput data capacities is a significant factor. Plus can the AF11 do ACCP (Unless yo use 2 dishes or a custom combiner)? We had a link recently with only 80mhz channels available on vertical. Getting to 4096 QAM is not easy on longer links (Probably anything over 4-5miles) IMO. I am a huge fan of Ceragon IP/20/Cambium PTP820 very reliable radios with a great feature set. The only thing they are missing is a SFP+ port (Which I believe is coming on a new version) On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:27 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: The efficiency is a dumpster fire. 256 QAM radios have about the same spectral efficiency. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do support 2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per polarity using a 56mhz channel, which is about the same as what our old SAF Lumina can do at 256QAM... of course if you figure that as an 80mhz channel, rather than 56mhz, it's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't meet the FCC efficiency requirements at the lowest modulations, but you'd have to have a pretty poorly engineered link for that to be a problem. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: If I remember right the biggest spectral efficiency problem with the AF-11x is that it uses both polarizations yet only gets the throughput of a single pol link. Could be difficult to license if you can’t get both polarizations. Good news, if you’re successful getting the license, you should be able to modify the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc. Bad news, if you’re pushing the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time, you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you upgrade the link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any problems licensing it. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote: You license an emission designatior... not a channel per se. When you license 56MHz of spectrum you use the 80MHz channel plan but there isn't 24MHz of unused spectrum sitting there... it gets used up pretty quickly for other paths, etc. So moral of the story... don't do that. <https://atheral.co/wp-content/uploads/Atheral-Logo-Vertical-Grad-150px-x-86px.png> Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 3172 N Rainbow Blvd PMB 20394 Las Vegas, Nevada 89108 <https://www.facebook.com/getatheral/> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPZv-EsGCj8LXfzylwCrjQ> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/atheral/> Seth Mattinen wrote on 1/8/20 09:54: On 1/8/20 8:36 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in 56mhz channel width can u just put a 2nd link up and split them up to the two 40mhz? No, that's not allowed. 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