What does this have to do with CAF-II? For us we pretty much know where the loaded APs are, it’s a matter of smoothing out the experience.
> On Jan 31, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote: > > It's interesting to me how many people are looking at the CoDeL piece of > Preseem first - their original vision (and what I still think is the most > interesting) is the direct TCP monitoring they do to try to figure out which > APs have issues, which customers have issues, and what the root causes of > those issues are. The CoDeL piece was just a cherry on top. > > The CoDeL piece isn't very hard (if you're not worried about scaling it very > far) but the monitoring and diagnostic tools they have are, I think, > fantastic. I've never heard anyone not rave about them, and I know tons of > people using them. > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> ISP Radio did an interview with them and it’s still on Youtube. 2 years old >> though. >> >> https://www.preseem.com/2018/04/isp-radio-subscriber-queues-latency/ >> >> >> >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of David Coudron >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 12:41 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat >> >> >> >> Others probably know better. I think some of the other tools are DPI based >> where Preseem is FQ-CoDel, but I am not sure that is true of Procera. >> Others integrate to the CRM systems, so I am not sure that is a >> differentiator. Might be best to hit Preseem up directly on that question. >> From our experience, they are not high pressure or exaggerative, so you >> wouldn’t be opening a can of worms you can’t get the lid back on. But maybe >> someone has done a more in depth investigation of the two. Sorry, wasn’t >> much help on the question. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> David Coudron >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 11:48 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat >> >> >> >> How does Preseem compare to Procera? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:25 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> I second everything David said. We've been on it 2 years now and it's a tool >> I will never give up. It's worth every penny >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 11:03 AM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> >> wrote: >> >> We have been using Preseem for about a year now. We originally implemented >> it as a way to better manage the customer experience and potentially make >> better use of our DIA bandwidth and maybe reduce some DIA costs. I am >> guessing someone could build a similar product on their own with open >> source. >> >> However, what we have found is that we get significantly more than the >> customer experience management with the tool. The reporting is beyond >> awesome, it has become our number one tool for troubleshooting customers >> complaints. Others on this list can weigh in on how they use it, but our >> typical day goes something like this: >> 1) During our morning Ops call, we take a peek at Preseem's recap of tower >> latency yesterday. If nothing new shows up for Red towers/access points, we >> look at Yellow Access Points (this is a ranking of Aps/towers over certain >> latency thresholds) >> 2) If any customer calls have come in, we use the Preseem tool to see if >> they are experiencing latency issues. If they are, we check our SNMP based >> monitoring tool to see if their wireless connection to the tower has changed >> or if the AP is experience issues. We had a pretty major windstorm go >> through two weeks ago, and we found a few customers whose latency spiked and >> investigation into their connection showed there was an issue with their >> dish. >> 3) If latency has climbed, but the AP and upstream devices are all OK, we >> check into the experience of that customer to others on their tower. Is >> their latency spike unique, does it happen only under load, etc. More >> often than not, the issue is specific to them, doesn't only happen under >> load, and only at certain times. It is usually from streaming a show on the >> TV in the far back upstairs bedroom (or something like that) with a crappy >> connection to their wifi router in the house. >> >> We have found it to be an indispensable tool for this kind of thing. We >> bought it for QoE, but use it daily for monitoring/troubleshooting >> activities. Not only do you get a hosted reporting solution, you have >> access to some pretty smart folks. >> >> Just this morning our first line of support person said "If Preseem ever >> goes down, I will cry, it is my favorite troubleshooting tool". We were >> having a discussion about how you could compare QoE/Latency from a customer >> to other customers on the same AP, to others on the Same Tower, to others in >> the same DIA, etc. It is hard to explain how much it changes the way you >> think about the "My Internet is slow" complaint. Quite often this person >> will get a call about it being slow last night, and she will ask the time at >> which it happened and pull up very detailed information like "You were using >> 45 of you 50 Mbps plan with 50 ms latency". >> >> Take the time to go through the demo with Gerrit. You may not decide it is >> not for you, but it won't be a waste of time to understand why they are >> pushing it so hard. >> >> David Coudron >> david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 >> >> Advantenon, Inc. >> i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 >> | www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:41 AM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat >> >> I think they have integration with common CRM's like Sonar. >> >> You sound exactly like I sounded 15 years ago. The more stuff I have to >> deal with every day, the more I'm ok with outsourcing some of my troubles to >> someone else. >> >> I just paid a guy $800 to replace an exhaust inducer in my furnace. I know >> that inducer is $99 and goes in with 4 screws and a hose clamp, but it's >> more worth my time to let someone else take care of it so I can do something >> else. Same goes for Preseem vs the $300 Linux box. >> >> I'm not knocking your method. There's a point in the business cycle where >> there's more time than there is cash, and it will make sense to do some more >> DIY things. I'm just saying the Preseem thing has value too. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> On 1/31/2020 11:34 AM, Dev wrote: >> > I’m getting spammed like every day with the Preseem guys selling what seem >> > like expensive hacks of fq_codel to reduce bufferbloat. Is there anything >> > else interesting about their technology besides deploying open source >> > implementation of fq_codel or CAKE on commodity hardware, which we already >> > do to great effect on a $300 single board Linux box with a few ports? 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