I have seen that as well... suspecting that the lungs get damaged the first time and then it's all over the second time.

I'm not sure what you do about that?

This could explain *tin foil hat* why China is going so crazy with this. Suppose for a moment that the virus was out in October or so, and a first wave went around. IF this was a manufactured virus and China knows what it does, then when it started going around the second time they knew what the outcome would be if it wasn't stopped.

On 2/17/20 6:02 PM, Robert wrote:
Haven't asked since last time, I'll text...  Kinda figured with another 40 coming stateside from the cruise ship the gig is up...   There is speculation that immunity is not a given after getting corona-fu and the second time you get it is what is causing the deaths...  That would be very bad.

On 2/17/20 1:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
whats the canary status?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:28 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

    Seems to be getting better, but we are standing by. Other cases (
    the couple who were transferred to SF Med center for example )
    they were getting better and then abruptly took a turn much for
    the worse.   But we have our fingers crossed for him.

    On 2/11/20 6:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
    Who was it that had the pilot canary? What is their status

    On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 12:33 AM Timothy Steele
    <timothy.pct...@gmail.com <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Spread through the air is fake news

        You need a projectile to hit you or touch the projectile

        If you have good hygiene and sanitize  your hands often you
        should be okay

        They are doing research if it can spread by feces but are not
        sure


        There is a 14 day incubation process so they are checking you
        temp but also keeping an eye on you if you are coughing or
        spiting or showing any other symptoms

        For a virus to spread you normally need to have at least a
        slight fever no one knows if that is fake news from China or not

        Because it's so hot here if you had a slight fever you would
        never notice it unless someone told you

        I think people saying you can get it through the air came
        from a nurse got infected through her eyes when she was
        wearing a mask

         But she was hit by a projectile by someone infected directly

        It was not just in the air

        On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 1:22 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
        <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

            Anti-vaxers in CN pretty much are a non-issue..

            On 2/10/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
            > China is actually doing a better job against measles
            than the United States.  We have become complacent.
            >
            >
            
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2019/12/27/how-china-is-winning-the-war-against-measles
            >
            >
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
            > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:13 PM
            > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Timothy Steele
            <timothy.pct...@gmail.com <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>>
            > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
            >
            > Hi Timothy!
            >
            > I keep hearing about this happening (temperature
            taking).   Since the
            > person can be contagious but a-symptomatic for up to 14
            days before symptoms occur, I keep wondering what exactly
            this is doing other than stopping the folks who are most
            seriously sick.
            >
            > Is this really just another flu strain though?  It's a
            corona virus, but so is the common cold -- that doesn't
            mean they are all the flu.
            >
            > Now I hear this thing can be spread through the air
            (not just droplets), which means the spread distance from
            an infected person is much greater than the common cold/flu.
            >
            > This is certainly some of the better news I've heard
            lately.
            >
            > On 2/10/20 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
            >> I'm living in asia right now (philippines)
            >>
            >> they are going to extremes to contain the virus no you
            can't believe
            >> what china is saying but I do believe what I'm seeing
            >>
            >> we just took a vacation to cebu for our anniversary
            >>
            >> when you go to the airport they check your temperature
            even for
            >> domestic before you get to the terminal and check
            again before you get
            >> on the flight
            >>
            >> resorts and hotels have to check your temperature
            before they let you
            >> walk in even if just to eat inside
            >>
            >> if you want to go into a bigger crowded areas  like
            whale watching you
            >> have to get all you vitals checked and get stamped
            that you don't have
            >> the virus
            >>
            >> in bohol nurses are getting infected
            >>
            >> U.S citizens in china post on social media of police
            installing metal
            >> bars on doors of anyone's home that refuse to
            quarantine at the
            >> hospital
            >>
            >> as I'm a foreigner I'm not allowed to fly in or out
            any part of china
            >> hong kong or taiwan until the virus travel ban is over
            >>
            >>
            >> I don't mean to scare anyone just sharing truths I'm
            not that scared
            >> of the virus as its just a new strain of the flu and
            I'm still young
            >>
            >> if I was older I would be scared as a flu shot will
            not help you with
            >> this yet and the is a mask shortage so your own doctor
            or nurse and
            >> infect you
            >>
            >> in the U.S though there are so few that have it and
            hospital resources
            >> are so high there is nothing to really worry about there
            >>
            >>
            >> but in asia where good hospitals are hard to find most
            houses don't
            >> have proper showers nurses are out of masks its
            standard for kids to
            >> live with grandparents that can easily get sick and
            the flu is not
            >> common here as its always hot so the immune system is
            not really ready
            >> for it
            >>
            >> it is a very scary virus in asia but I don't see it
            being much of an
            >> issue in the U.S
            >>
            >> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:32 AM Mathew Howard
            <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
            >> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
            <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
            >>
            >>      Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind
            of like beef jerky,
            >>      only... different.
            >>
            >>      On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof
            <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
            >>      <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
            <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
            >>
            >>          That looks like an actual product they bought
            in China, as
            >>          opposed to what I expected from the
            headline.  Still
            >> creepy.____
            >>
            >>          __ __
            >>
            >>          *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
            >>          <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
            >>          *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
            >>          *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
            >>          <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
            >>          *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was
            UBNT stock)____
            >>
            >>          __ __
            >>
            >>          This is concerning
            >>
            >>
            
https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-bird
            >> s-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/____
            >>
            >>          __ __
            >>
            >>          On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun
            >>          <sleb...@corebroadband.ca
            <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>
            <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca
            <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>>>
            >>          wrote:____
            >>
            >>              A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a
            realist.
            >>
            >>              -----Original Message-----
            >>              From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
            >>              <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
            >>              Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
            >>              To: af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
            >>              Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was
            UBNT stock)
            >>
            >>              I used to think I was a cynic.  Some
            people are an order of
            >>              magnitude
            >>              more cynical than me.
            >>
            >>
            >>              On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
            >>               > I am naturally an optimist and not a
            cynic.  So I
            >>              essentially ignore all that stuff.  Life
            is too short.
            >>               >
            >>               > Sent from my iPhone
            >>               >
            >>               >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett
            >>              <dmmoff...@gmail.com
            <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
            <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
            >>               >>
            >>               >> The thing driving me nuts right now
            is that literally
            >>              everything is a "conspiracy".
            >>               >>
            >>               >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did
            it on purpose, and
            >>              nobody has the whole picture of what
            happened until more
            >>              time passes.  In the interim there's a
            lot of conflicting
            >>              information going around. People latch
            onto early bits of
            >>              information that turn out to be wrong and
            they won't let go
            >>              of them.
            >>               >>
            >>               >> Coronavirus was created by the
            Chinese to distract press
            >>              from Hong Kong
            >>               >>
            >>               >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to
            defeat China in a
            >>              trade war
            >>               >>
            >>               >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser
            to discredit
            >>              Mexican Lager (I mean that one's
            obviously a joke.....right?)
            >>               >>
            >>               >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we
            must all stock our
            >>              survival bunkers.
            >>               >>
            >>               >> China is hiding all the information
            about Coronavirus.
            >>              Really? Or maybe they just don't have a
            live real-time
            >>              omniscient feed of all information so
            they're reporting what
            >>              they think is true at the time it's said,
            or maybe rumors on
            >>              Facebook aren't all true.
            >>               >>
            >>               >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
            >>               >>
            >>               >>
            >>               >>
            >>               >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince
            wrote:
            >>               >>> Starting a new thread to make this
            discussion off topic.
            >>               >>>
            >>               >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
            >>               >>>
            >>               >>> Still zero reported deaths in the
            US, and only about a
            >>              dozen actual infections. I am still
            thinking this is not a
            >>              big deal. Novel Coronavirus appears to be
            more infectious
            >>              than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
            >>               >>>
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