Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be over 30%.
bp
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Remember the tail end of ebola.. they were trying to say that too, saing itay be transmittable by sex for 6 months blah blah blah.South koreas outbreak comcerns me, thats a religious group, which means a lot of proximity to each other and well dispersed amongst the population. Churches would be ideal places to unleash bioweapons, gets people from all walks of life congregated and better for spread.There mad a medical at the trump rally yesterday. I was thinking thats a perfect place to contaminate, people show up 2 to 3 days early from all over the country and comingle then disperse everywhere into every caste and all types of neighborhoods and employers
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 12:33 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
And latest from China is that people "cured" may still spread infection, but there is a good chance that the results may be from bad testing that they are "cured"...--
On 2/22/20 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
CDC briefing from yesterday:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 9:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
Good to hear.
For all the complaints about our healthcare system, the US is still probably the best place to be in cases like this
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 6:23 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
The canary is ok at this time...
On 02/17/2020 03:45 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> The pathology that I had seen talked about it causing heart damage
> actually. The second infection triggers fatal heart reactions ( not an
> attack ) from the by products introduced in the first infection.
>
> On 02/17/2020 03:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> I have seen that as well... suspecting that the lungs get damaged the
>> first time and then it's all over the second time.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you do about that?
>>
>> This could explain *tin foil hat* why China is going so crazy with
>> this. Suppose for a moment that the virus was out in October or so,
>> and a first wave went around. IF this was a manufactured virus and
>> China knows what it does, then when it started going around the second
>> time they knew what the outcome would be if it wasn't stopped.
>>
>> On 2/17/20 6:02 PM, Robert wrote:
>>> Haven't asked since last time, I'll text... Kinda figured with
>>> another 40 coming stateside from the cruise ship the gig is up...
>>> There is speculation that immunity is not a given after getting
>>> corona-fu and the second time you get it is what is causing the
>>> deaths... That would be very bad.
>>>
>>> On 2/17/20 1:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> whats the canary status?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:28 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seems to be getting better, but we are standing by. Other cases (
>>>> the couple who were transferred to SF Med center for example )
>>>> they were getting better and then abruptly took a turn much for
>>>> the worse. But we have our fingers crossed for him.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/11/20 6:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>> Who was it that had the pilot canary? What is their status
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 12:33 AM Timothy Steele
>>>>> <timothy.pct...@gmail.com <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Spread through the air is fake news
>>>>>
>>>>> You need a projectile to hit you or touch the projectile
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have good hygiene and sanitize your hands often you
>>>>> should be okay
>>>>>
>>>>> They are doing research if it can spread by feces but are not
>>>>> sure
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a 14 day incubation process so they are checking you
>>>>> temp but also keeping an eye on you if you are coughing or
>>>>> spiting or showing any other symptoms
>>>>>
>>>>> For a virus to spread you normally need to have at least a
>>>>> slight fever no one knows if that is fake news from China
>>>>> or not
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's so hot here if you had a slight fever you would
>>>>> never notice it unless someone told you
>>>>>
>>>>> I think people saying you can get it through the air came
>>>>> from a nurse got infected through her eyes when she was
>>>>> wearing a mask
>>>>>
>>>>> But she was hit by a projectile by someone infected directly
>>>>>
>>>>> It was not just in the air
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 1:22 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anti-vaxers in CN pretty much are a non-issue..
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>> > China is actually doing a better job against measles
>>>>> than the United States. We have become complacent.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2019/12/27/how-china-is-winning-the-war-against-measles
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>>>> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:13 PM
>>>>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Timothy Steele
>>>>> <timothy.pct...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Timothy!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I keep hearing about this happening (temperature
>>>>> taking). Since the
>>>>> > person can be contagious but a-symptomatic for up to 14
>>>>> days before symptoms occur, I keep wondering what exactly
>>>>> this is doing other than stopping the folks who are most
>>>>> seriously sick.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is this really just another flu strain though? It's a
>>>>> corona virus, but so is the common cold -- that doesn't
>>>>> mean they are all the flu.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Now I hear this thing can be spread through the air
>>>>> (not just droplets), which means the spread distance from
>>>>> an infected person is much greater than the common
>>>>> cold/flu.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is certainly some of the better news I've heard
>>>>> lately.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 2/10/20 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>>>>> >> I'm living in asia right now (philippines)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> they are going to extremes to contain the virus no you
>>>>> can't believe
>>>>> >> what china is saying but I do believe what I'm seeing
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> we just took a vacation to cebu for our anniversary
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> when you go to the airport they check your temperature
>>>>> even for
>>>>> >> domestic before you get to the terminal and check
>>>>> again before you get
>>>>> >> on the flight
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> resorts and hotels have to check your temperature
>>>>> before they let you
>>>>> >> walk in even if just to eat inside
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> if you want to go into a bigger crowded areas like
>>>>> whale watching you
>>>>> >> have to get all you vitals checked and get stamped
>>>>> that you don't have
>>>>> >> the virus
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> in bohol nurses are getting infected
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> U.S citizens in china post on social media of police
>>>>> installing metal
>>>>> >> bars on doors of anyone's home that refuse to
>>>>> quarantine at the
>>>>> >> hospital
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> as I'm a foreigner I'm not allowed to fly in or out
>>>>> any part of china
>>>>> >> hong kong or taiwan until the virus travel ban is over
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't mean to scare anyone just sharing truths I'm
>>>>> not that scared
>>>>> >> of the virus as its just a new strain of the flu and
>>>>> I'm still young
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> if I was older I would be scared as a flu shot will
>>>>> not help you with
>>>>> >> this yet and the is a mask shortage so your own doctor
>>>>> or nurse and
>>>>> >> infect you
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> in the U.S though there are so few that have it and
>>>>> hospital resources
>>>>> >> are so high there is nothing to really worry about
>>>>> there
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> but in asia where good hospitals are hard to find most
>>>>> houses don't
>>>>> >> have proper showers nurses are out of masks its
>>>>> standard for kids to
>>>>> >> live with grandparents that can easily get sick and
>>>>> the flu is not
>>>>> >> common here as its always hot so the immune system is
>>>>> not really ready
>>>>> >> for it
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> it is a very scary virus in asia but I don't see it
>>>>> being much of an
>>>>> >> issue in the U.S
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:32 AM Mathew Howard
>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Oh, that's probably just a delicious snack! Kind
>>>>> of like beef jerky,
>>>>> >> only... different.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 7:22 PM Ken Hohhof
>>>>> <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That looks like an actual product they bought
>>>>> in China, as
>>>>> >> opposed to what I expected from the
>>>>> headline. Still
>>>>> >> creepy.____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
>>>>> Jones
>>>>> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 7:03 PM
>>>>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>>>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was
>>>>> UBNT stock)____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is concerning
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://breaking911.com/cbp-officers-at-va-airport-intercept-dead-bird
>>>>> >> s-in-passenger-baggage-from-china/____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 1:00 PM Shayne Lebrun
>>>>> >> <sleb...@corebroadband.ca
>>>>> <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>
>>>>> <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca
>>>>> <mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>>>
>>>>> >> wrote:____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a
>>>>> realist.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>] On Behalf Of Adam
>>>>> Moffett
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
>>>>> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was
>>>>> UBNT stock)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I used to think I was a cynic. Some
>>>>> people are an order of
>>>>> >> magnitude
>>>>> >> more cynical than me.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> >> > I am naturally an optimist and not a
>>>>> cynic. So I
>>>>> >> essentially ignore all that stuff. Life
>>>>> is too short.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam
>>>>> Moffett
>>>>> >> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The thing driving me nuts right now
>>>>> is that literally
>>>>> >> everything is a "conspiracy".
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did
>>>>> it on purpose, and
>>>>> >> nobody has the whole picture of what
>>>>> happened until more
>>>>> >> time passes. In the interim there's a
>>>>> lot of conflicting
>>>>> >> information going around. People latch
>>>>> onto early bits of
>>>>> >> information that turn out to be wrong and
>>>>> they won't let go
>>>>> >> of them.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Coronavirus was created by the
>>>>> Chinese to distract press
>>>>> >> from Hong Kong
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to
>>>>> defeat China in a
>>>>> >> trade war
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser
>>>>> to discredit
>>>>> >> Mexican Lager (I mean that one's
>>>>> obviously a joke.....right?)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we
>>>>> must all stock our
>>>>> >> survival bunkers.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> China is hiding all the information
>>>>> about Coronavirus.
>>>>> >> Really? Or maybe they just don't have a
>>>>> live real-time
>>>>> >> omniscient feed of all information so
>>>>> they're reporting what
>>>>> >> they think is true at the time it's said,
>>>>> or maybe rumors on
>>>>> >> Facebook aren't all true.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>> Starting a new thread to make this
>>>>> discussion off topic.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the
>>>>> US, and only about a
>>>>> >> dozen actual infections. I am still
>>>>> thinking this is not a
>>>>> >> big deal. Novel Coronavirus appears to be
>>>>> more infectious
>>>>> >> than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>>>>> >> >>>
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