I'll be the first to admit my memory isn't the best. But we have
been down this road before. I do recall H1N1 as a distant
memory. So, I googled it to jog my memory. H1N1 happen in 2009.
When all was said and done per the CDC "From April 12, 2009 to
April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases
(range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range:
195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the
United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus."
Some observations between then and now
1. I don't recall wide spread panic. I'm I just not remembering
the run on toilet paper, cleaners, H2O, etc. I'm sure there were
some functions cancelled and sporadic school closures, but did
schools like Harvard cancel classes?
2. Social media wasn't a big thing back then. Didn't have 10's
of thousands of social media experts telling us what to think.
3. Politics. H1N1 happened right after Obama was elected. Right
or left leading, you have to admit he was still in his honeymoon
period. He could do no wrong. Press was VERY much on his side.
Hell, he even got a Nobel Peace prize in 2009. Compare that to
now. Election year. Press hates the current president. Economy
needs to be destroyed.
How did we survive back then? CDC reports over 350,000 people
world wide died due to H1N1. Is this virus that much worst than
H1N1?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 7:32:33 PM, you wrote:
If you figure out a solution to the belief that beliefs trump
facts, please let all of us know so we can help apply the fix.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
If you know someone who doesn’t understand why canceled events
and self-quarantines save lives, here’s a good explainer, with
all facts and no politics:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
(yes, I know some people think facts are political, but I don’t
have an answer to that)
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
You are much kinder...I call the top politicians on this response
completely inept. You can't frickin tweet this away.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:46 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I just watched the news conference on the TV.
IMHO, VP Pence and the medical experts did a decent job, except
when Pence had to engage in ritual sucking up to his boss.
But it seems like the adults are mostly in charge and hopefully
will do the right things going forward regarding the virus response.
It doesn’t seem like Pence is throwing roadblocks in the way of
the experts or censoring them for political gain.
The first few weeks, I don’t think that was true.
As far as efforts to boost the stock market, well, good luck with
that.
Note sure a payroll tax cut will help people who get furloughed,
or gig workers who can’t work.
Best thing for the stock market is probably an effective plan for
virus mitigation and control.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 6:23 PM
*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
tl:dr, WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China...
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&fbclid=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440
On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:
That’s why we need a one world government. Efficiency should be
able to be improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic
every 6 months then.
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new
"pandemic" every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes
for the government to engineer the new virus
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine
prototyped in a few months, but it would take at least a year,
and maybe up to two before it could be administered to the
general public. By that time, we will be on the great-great-great
(insert however many greats you would like) grandchildren of the
current coronavirus.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the
government is able to engineer new variants of each virus
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's different from the information I had been given. I'd
heard the issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very
rapidly, so that a vaccine for today's coronavirus will be
obsolete after the next mutation or two. One of the reasons the
common cold still has not got a vaccine; too many targets.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses,
immunity only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold”
people get the same strain again sometimes within a year.
So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our
“flu shots” every year in the future.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has
converted to Hinduism.
Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2
months now, i bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even
mono came back negative... she may even be patient zero. Last
night she came to me and said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become
death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, but im
taking her lab down tonite
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild
symptoms that I have been reading about.
*From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
Testing should ramp up. CDC test kits are not the only test in
town. As of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their
own testing capabilities. This means any doctor can now do a
swab and send it off to either of these labs just like any other
test they do. There should be no reason for no testing now.
https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
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Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
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Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total
tests to date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South
Korea is doing 10,000 per day. The test kits are only starting to
be distributed in the US. They might have substantial numbers of
kits sometime next week.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
10
There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to
look, what type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab,
or a blood test. A nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember
the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks
ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that the dog
didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in
the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door
handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it,
because it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise
ship that tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms...
if that's true, and those people are able to spread it, there are
almost certainly a LOT of people running around with it. That
also means that the death rate is probably way, way lower than
we've been made to believe.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they
were sick, of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had
the flu or a cold. of the remaining 100, most of them were
elderly or otherwise infirm and standard outcomes would apply. In
the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people got the flu,
and 100 of them died
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
/Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked
to The Times about how people should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an
area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community
transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that
person probably became ill about three weeks ago. That means you
probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could
well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re
currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
/My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in
a community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue
that they have been infected.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where
the goal is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the
healthcare system, and wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).
Messaging has not quite caught up with this reality, but if you
listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe. Wash your hands,
and use the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.
Maybe take a thermometer.
And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has
Amtrak. Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in
town was in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
So that equates to "its here in town now"
I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby
cut from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos
hospital. In the mean time everybody and their brother is going
to be comimg out to the hospital because theyre certain they have
the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man into one
place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy
cesspools of disease.
The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking
it home. Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be
riding bareback on cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and
riding through a puddle of c. Diff.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital
with something looking like nCov and which got tested. We don't
currently know how many people have it but didn't get tested and
as such isn't counted as an infected person. As we improve our
testing ability, we'll find more cases which aren't
hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases, pushing
the rate lower.
2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that
some of the cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually
nCov cases, pushing the rate higher.
Does that describe what you're saying?
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
More people being tested means two things:
1) the death rate goes way down
2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks
dying of pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
> On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
<m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm going to Disney World this coming Friday. Went into
town this
> weekend, stopped by 5-6 stores including lunch out. I have an
> employee going on a cruise next week.
>
> We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
>
> It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock. Let's
keep this
> in perspective. Currently the total infection rate per 1
million in
> the US is 1.6. S. Korea has the highest infection rate at
144 per
> million. That infection rate not death rate. Death rate
is even
> lower.
>
> If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.
>
> It is going to go up. Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp
are both
> doing testing, more people will get tested. More people
getting
> tested, means more people being counted as a case.
>
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> Best regards,
> Mark mailto: <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
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>
> Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
>
> MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t
you?
>
>>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had
apparently stopped in
>>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that.
Already took the
>>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait
for sweet death.
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net
<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
>>>> According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes
are
>>>> the ways it gets spread. Urine might give you even more dominance than
>>>> spit anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* A
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