For 3 GHz nLOS / NLOS we plan to account for your trees and their movement. Great point.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:39 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat that would be a discussion to have with them. LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the road map. Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: >> >> What frequencies does it support? >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if >>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, >>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help >>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more >>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >>> they're hard to keep watered. >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband >>> <li...@sbb.net<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote: >>> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because of >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>> mega sites it could make sense. >>> >>> *From:* AF >>> [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf >>> Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> much much more than free >>> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >>> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>> applied it to our real world. >>> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >>> missed. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >>> >>> *From:*Steve Jones >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >>> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time >>> didnt grab it) >>> >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have been >>> bad long term. >>> >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 >>> cbrs stuff >>> >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good >>> spot, and on the probably best spot. >>> >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see >>> where we missed revenue options. 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