Yep...I help maintain two long 6GHz STLs for a Christian Radio station...El Paso to Las Cruces, Las Cruces to tower on mountain above Hatch , NM..
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 3:47 PM Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been > involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers > and fade margins. Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big > voice with the feds. AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle. > But we shall see. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on > rain fade characteristics. And there are many existing links. Just saying > your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and > the service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more > and more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart < > timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote: > > > > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in > it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power > (WiFi6) usage. > > > > > > > > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > > > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out > of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the > common man/small business. > > > > > > > > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > FCC has total authority over these bands. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser < > lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act > of Congress? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: > > > > yes you are right. > > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > > > North Central Tower > > > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > More like 4.9 to 7. > > > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum > proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability > standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. > What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able > to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > > > North Central Tower > > > > er...@northcentraltower.com > > > > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > > > from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: > > > > > > > > "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A > Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an > AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must > have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the > "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, > so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole > bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs. > > > > > > The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It > is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be > weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 > dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit > concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the > directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is > likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, > and ours, will be standard power. > > > > The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like > cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for > AFC-controlled devices." > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Yep...lots of buzz from this > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > > > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are > hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > > > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 > Gigahertz today. > > > > any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > > > Eric Nielsen > > 571-508-7409 > > ericlniel...@gmail.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > ________________________________ > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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