not many, a different post said the AF5XHD/LTU line can go up to 6200mhz but that's it. Sounds like will need all new hardware to be produced by the manufactures which I am ok with.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:46 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm happy they're doing this. > > My only question is which devices can do 6ghz with just a firmware > change and which ones need new hardware? > > > On 4/24/2020 5:37 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote: > > ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day. > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their > baby, but if you really want to do know where the influence came from - > follow the lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, > Apple & Google spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing > didn't spring up over night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five > years is astronomical. It took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and > Congress just to get to the Rule Making process that started on Oct 1, > 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte > filings. > >> > >> The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately > protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must > check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS > (per FCC requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major > problems and deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public > Notice reminding licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are > complete and accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and > certification process and this will further delay things. Its going to > take some time for all of this before devices that require the AFC to be > used. > >> > >> FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes > Apple, Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices > at 6 GHz. > >> > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> > >> After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the > crusader. Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well. > >> https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6 > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >> > >> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in > it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > >> Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > >> > >> So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > >> > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power > (WiFi6) usage. > >> > >> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > >> > >> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC > out of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the > common man/small business. > >> > >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> FCC has total authority over these bands. > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser < > lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act > of Congress? > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser < > er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: > >> > >> yes you are right. > >> > >> > >> Erich Kaiser > >> North Central Tower > >> er...@northcentraltower.com > >> Office: 815-570-3101 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> > >> More like 4.9 to 7. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser > >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM > >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > >> > >> > >> > >> Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum > proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability > standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. > What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able > to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Erich Kaiser > >> > >> North Central Tower > >> > >> er...@northcentraltower.com > >> > >> Office: 815-570-3101 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > >> > >> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: > >> > >> > >> > >> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A > Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an > AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must > have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the > "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, > so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole > bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs. > >> > >> > >> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. > It is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be > weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 > dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit > concerned. But between building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the > directionality of the FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is > likely to be a volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, > and ours, will be standard power. > >> > >> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like > cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for > AFC-controlled devices." > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza < > losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Yep...lots of buzz from this > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > >> > >> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are > hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 > Gigahertz today. > >> > >> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> Eric Nielsen > >> 571-508-7409 > >> ericlniel...@gmail.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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