Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby, but if you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five years is astronomical. It took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings.
The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power devices must check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC will rely solely on ULS (per FCC requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major problems and deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice reminding licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete and accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification process and this will further delay things. Its going to take some time for all of this before devices that require the AFC to be used. FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple, Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6 GHz. > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader. > Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well. > https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6 > > > > On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com > <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name >> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of >> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) >> usage. >> >> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com >> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: >> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of >> the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common >> man/small business. >> >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> FCC has total authority over these bands. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of >> Congress? >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com >> <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: >> yes you are right. >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >> More like 4.9 to 7. >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On >> Behalf Of Erich Kaiser >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >> >> >> Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, >> so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed >> will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint >> it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What about >> the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the >> entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us >> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: >> >> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: >> >> >> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard >> Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that >> determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have >> geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client >> AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the >> licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of >> companies have already been working on AFCs. >> >> >> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is >> limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, >> must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those >> can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between >> building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the >> FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume >> market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be >> standard power. >> >> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell >> phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for >> AFC-controlled devices." >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yep...lots of buzz from this >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us >> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: >> >> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping >> it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >> >> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 >> Gigahertz today. >> >> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>-- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >> -- >> Eric Nielsen >> 571-508-7409 >> ericlniel...@gmail.com <mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com>-- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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