Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their
baby, but if you really want to do know where the influence came
from - follow the lobbying and follow the money. Facebook, Amazon,
Microsoft, Apple & Google spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020
- this thing didn't spring up over night and the $$$ spent on this
over the last five years is astronomical. It took a ton of
lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule
Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered
over 700 comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings.
The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to
adequately protect both existing and new incumbents. Standard power
devices must check-in with the AFC at least once a day. The AFC
will rely solely on ULS (per FCC requirement) and it is widely
recognized that ULS has major problems and deficiencies - in fact,
the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice reminding licensees of
their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete and
accurate. The AFC systems must go through a testing and
certification process and this will further delay things. Its
going to take some time for all of this before devices that require
the AFC to be used.
FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes
Apple, Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed
devices at 6 GHz.
On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the
crusader. Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well.
https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6
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On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers
in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Date: 04/23/20 10:14
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these
companies dropped that made it happen?
On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small,
no-name companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt
you've heard of them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the
indoor low power (WiFi6) usage.
I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the
FCC out of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed
spectrum to the common man/small business.
So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote:
FCC has total authority over these bands.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an
act of Congress?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
yes you are right.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
More like 4.9 to 7.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean
heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the
spectrum proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like
from a reliability standpoint it will be tough to count on a system
that uses AFC in general. What about the Antenna being used on
these APs are they going to be able to cover the entire band from
5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently? Just thinking...
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
"There are really two different types of devices approved today. A
Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily
with an AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its
location. It must have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the
final Order to see how the "client AP" is handled.) The rules for
the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the licensed PtP users are
generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of companies have
already been working on AFCs.
The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require
AFC. It is limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may
not be weatherproof, must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP
(clients +24 dBm). Since those can use any frequency, the
incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between building entry
losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS
dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a
volume market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and
ours, will be standard power.
The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC.
Like cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher
power for AFC-controlled devices."
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep...lots of buzz from this
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are
hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
Gigahertz today.
any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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