Interesting question about OTARD applicability. If I rent an apartment, the landlord cannot stop me from putting a satellite dish on my exclusive space, I just can't put it on a common area. But I'm going to assume I can't put a satellite dish on the balcony of a hotel room. Not sure what is different between a rental apartment and a hotel room.
I don't follow your argument about a commercial environment. Because the park rents spaces for profit? So does an apartment building. I don't see how OTARD only applies to non profits. Are you saying it is like a rental office? Not sure I buy that, but if it was true, I'm not sure if OTARD applies to rental office space. I think one of the landmark cases involved the Continental Airlines lounge at Boston Logan Aireport. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park? Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep. > On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately. > > -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber > > Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park? > >> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> I'm not an RV'er, but I thought it was somewhat common to have a portable >> or roof mounted sat TV dish that even automatically aims itself. Like this: >> https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-PL7000R-Playmaker-Portable-Satellite/ >> dp/B074CPRJSD >> >> Supposedly you can add a mobile dish to your home subscription so you don't >> have to pay an arm and a leg for a couple months when you hit the road in >> summer. We have a farm customer that uses their "mobile" dish at their >> scalehouse during harvest. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:17 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >> >> So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under the >> radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are watching TV? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:13 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber >> >> OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite >> dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging to >> the camp owner. >> >> And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is. >> >>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> How can you enforce no satellite dishes. Sounds like a clear violation >>> of FCC OTARD... You couldn't even tell if we were using our satellite >>> dish it's fully enclosed and not visible. >>> >>>>> On 06/11/2020 02:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>> Why are you doing fiber? >>>> We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream >>>> over the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed. >>>> It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly >>>> to the sectors that cover several RV campers. >>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and >>>>> that's part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal. I just >>>>> thought it would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable. >>>>> >>>>> I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the >>>>> RV power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/. >>>>> <http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/> >>>>> >>>>> Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might >>>>> give me a place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be >>>>> two keystone jacks in it. My two reasons for suggesting this >>>>> approach are that each RV gets their own WiFi instead of sharing >>>>> it with everybody around them, and if there was ever a law >>>>> enforcement issue we could track the usage to a particular site rather >>>>> than just "somewhere in the park". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>>>> As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections and >>>>>> doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for. Don't >>>>>> even carry and ethernet cable... >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>> If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a >>>>>>>> post next to their power and water hookups. I'd want the >>>>>>>> campers to be able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the >>>>>>>> wherewithal to do so. >>>>>>>> And if they don't then they have their own private WiFi right >>>>>>>> outside their RV. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ....of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this >>>>>>>> together, but I'm betting someone must have made a product for this >>>>>>>> already. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
